Is there a legal definition of "arms"? The current debate seems to be around restricting assault rifles and automatic weapons which makes perfect sense to me. As an extreme example, could someone own something like a rocket launcher and claim it to be arms and therefore allowed under the constitution?
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neil999
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Expiry date on laws is an interesting one...
It's fairly uncommon but not unheard of. Sunset provision
jhramone
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After he escaped from jail and went to Florida, the argument goes, he became a spree killer. That's why he had so many victims in such a short time. But really that's just arguing semantics and has no strong bearing on my overall argument. If you'd like, I have some theories about the differences, culturally, between the US and British crime, but the thread is getting a bit heated so I understand if you'd prefer to leave things as they are.
GTF!! You can't amend our 2nd Amendment rights!!
Just realised what it's like.
It's literally like saying everyone has the right to drive a car, so anyone can go out and buy one and drive one, without a test to see if they can or should, because it's their right.
I assume the requisite to pass a driving test is, ahem, "infringing on your liberty" too.
It's literally like saying everyone has the right to drive a car, so anyone can go out and buy one and drive one, without a test to see if they can or should, because it's their right.
I assume the requisite to pass a driving test is, ahem, "infringing on your liberty" too.
Did anyone make the point that Broken Windows Policing is inherently prejudiced and actually causes more social problems in the long run?
The current problems with the police stem from broken windows policies as people believe that the cops are out to get them (and they are). The argument that America glorifies criminals stops too early. America glorifies individuality. America glorifies the Individual over the Collective. The Criminal over the State (as long as other prejudices don't get in the way). The lone wolf over the system. The wealth creator over the labor force.
America doesn't glorify crime. It glorifies self-reliance to the point of it being harmful to the collective.
The argument that America glorifies crime in itself doesn't hold water. It simply prioritizes the individual over society. Stop doing that.
The current problems with the police stem from broken windows policies as people believe that the cops are out to get them (and they are). The argument that America glorifies criminals stops too early. America glorifies individuality. America glorifies the Individual over the Collective. The Criminal over the State (as long as other prejudices don't get in the way). The lone wolf over the system. The wealth creator over the labor force.
America doesn't glorify crime. It glorifies self-reliance to the point of it being harmful to the collective.
The argument that America glorifies crime in itself doesn't hold water. It simply prioritizes the individual over society. Stop doing that.
Liberty, America's great success; Liberty, America's great downfall
Liberty: America's great public relations coup.
Or perhaps:
Liberty: America's great success (for white, financially stable men).
dandydan
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And to millions of Americans it's as sacrosanct as the 13th amendment.
Which is a fundamental problem with the discussion.
The Constitution should not be considered divine. It can be altered and edited based on the mutable nature of the world. It's the intent of the document! It outlines the legal methods of changing it!
Yet people seem to think that because something it Constitutional it is a Higher Power and cannot be challenged on merit. Like prohibition, the 3/5ths compromise, and voting eligibility before it - it is time to simply edit or remove the 2nd Amendment as it no longer makes sense, 230 years after it's authorship.
neil999
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Good point, crazy that you don't even have to learn how to use a gun safely(however you do that)
Even stuff like storing it safely(hence the amount of cases where toddlers have got hold of guns)
peteblue
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Even the Catholics stopped saying mass in Latin, changed the Lords Prayer, and just look at the 10th Commandment.. “You shall not covet your neighbour's house; you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour's.”.........somethings just have to change with the times........
neil999
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It's divine when it suits the narrative, the same way the religious right pick and choose from the bible
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
It doesn't so much glorify crime as glorify violence. Name a drama that doesn't have a killing in it. How many films and dramas have killers as the (anti)-hero? How many heroes kill the bad guy (when he could have been apprehended)? How many console and smartphone games involve mass slaughter?
And how many films revolve around the "maverick" - the "loose cannon" - who, through his heroic, neanderthal, murderous actions, "proves" that the system is a fool and that mindless, reckless slaughter is the solution?
In American popular culture, the violent stupid man is king and the thoughtful, peaceable man roundly distrusted.
Violence, brutality and killing have been normalised in American culture and, sadly, it's bleeding into many other cultures, too.
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