Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Pettifogger said:
I'm open to your thoughts on this, but I suspect I'm a little more in touch with conservatism in the US than you.
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Gun are not aligned with conservative ideology. Conservative ideology is aligned with NRA gun policies.

I know plenty of liberal gun owners. I used to be one as well. Guns are not the ideology.

The ideology is built on NRA and Conservative scare tactics that liberals want to take guns away. My friends that own guns certainly can see the difference between gun control measures and guns being taken away.

It's the age old go to with Conservatives and the NRA.
 
ilikecheese said:
Gun are not aligned with conservative ideology. Conservative ideology is aligned with NRA gun policies.

I know plenty of liberal gun owners. I used to be one as well. Guns are not the ideology.

The ideology is built on NRA and Conservative scare tactics that liberals want to take guns away. My friends that own guns certainly can see the difference between gun control measures and guns being taken away.

It's the age old go to with Conservatives and the NRA.
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Conservatism and gun rights are inseparably intertwined at this point. The loudest and most consistent anti-gun folks are on the left. They tell us about how the 2A isn't relevant anymore, how people who own guns are stupid, backwards and compensating for something, and why the state can provide sufficient protection for you and your family.

It probably favors my political leanings if you continue to believe and assert that they aren't, and conservatives are just being preyed upon the NRA. It's not reality though, and it'll continue to be a disconnect between the anti-NRA lobby and voters.

But hey, if you think your position and the associated political strategies are doing service to your goal of achieving gun control, well by all means, no need to heed my opinion.
 
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/01/police-boy-who-shot-himself-planned-school-attack/
A seventh-grader who shot and killed himself inside an Ohio middle school restroom last week was planning to shoot others at the school before changing his mind at the last second, a police chief said Thursday.

The boy, 13-year-old Keith Simons, came out of the bathroom holding a semi-automatic rifle just before classes began and then abruptly went back inside and shot himself in the head, said Jackson Township Police Chief Mark Brink. Police don’t know why Simons didn’t carry out the attack and probably never will, the police chief said. “We should thank God every day, whatever made him change his mind,” Brink said.

Investigators found messages on his cellphone that showed the teen had been planning an attack for at least a week at Jackson Middle School, near Massillon. He also showed admiration for the two students who carried out the Columbine High School shooting in Colorado nearly 19 years ago.
 
https://www.rt.com/usa/420245-ohio-boy-school-shooting/
"Jackson Middle School student Keith Simons, 13, was found dead in one of the school bathrooms with a semi-automatic rifle. The seventh-grader first left the bathroom with the .22 caliber weapon intending to begin his assault, but quickly changed his mind, went back inside, and turned the gun on himself."

A thirteen year-old.

Let me just pose this question: if a teacher is armed and trained, how do you prepare them for scenarios where the shooter IS one of their students?
Do you seriously tell them to prepare for killing a child?

It seems to me the real issue is something far more ingrained in the American psyche and arming teachers would not solve anything.
 
Pettifogger said:
Conservatism and gun rights are inseparably intertwined at this point. The loudest and most consistent anti-gun folks are on the left. They tell us about how the 2A isn't relevant anymore, how people who own guns are stupid, backwards and compensating for something, and why the state can provide sufficient protection for you and your family.

It probably favors my political leanings if you continue to believe and assert that they aren't, and conservatives are just being preyed upon the NRA. It's not reality though, and it'll continue to be a disconnect between the anti-NRA lobby and voters.

But hey, if you think your position and the associated political strategies are doing service to your goal of achieving gun control, well by all means, no need to heed my opinion.
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But that's not what you said. You didn't say gun rights, you said guns.

People from both sides of the aisle own guns. People from both sides of the aisle enjoy guns. You get that, right?

Nobody wants to take your guns, except a few with an extremist position. The point is that the NRA and Conservatives make it seem like it's mainstream thinking. Now on the gun rights side of things it appears that both the NRA and the majority of Conservatives, such as yourself, have taken an extremist stand.

Yes. You are an extremist if you believe that a tiny crack in the dam means total failure.
 
It won't be long before visitors to the US are stopped at customs there and checked for any weapons .... if none found they will then arm you ...ya know..for your own protection while visiting their beautiful country... y'all have a nice stay now.
 
Pettifogger said:
Conservatism and gun rights are inseparably intertwined at this point. The loudest and most consistent anti-gun folks are on the left. They tell us about how the 2A isn't relevant anymore, how people who own guns are stupid, backwards and compensating for something, and why the state can provide sufficient protection for you and your family.

It probably favors my political leanings if you continue to believe and assert that they aren't, and conservatives are just being preyed upon the NRA. It's not reality though, and it'll continue to be a disconnect between the anti-NRA lobby and voters.

But hey, if you think your position and the associated political strategies are doing service to your goal of achieving gun control, well by all means, no need to heed my opinion.
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cos it isnt...or at least needs updating
 
ilikecheese said:
But that's not what you said. You didn't say gun rights, you said guns.

People from both sides of the aisle own guns. People from both sides of the aisle enjoy guns. You get that, right?

Nobody wants to take your guns, except a few with an extremist position. The point is that the NRA and Conservatives make it seem like it's mainstream thinking. Now on the gun rights side of things it appears that both the NRA and the majority of Conservatives, such as yourself, have taken an extremist stand.

Yes. You are an extremist if you believe that a tiny crack in the dam means total failure.
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I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to draw. Guns, gun rights and conservatism are interwoven. Democrats having guns is irrelevant. Gun rights rallies are GOP rallies in the same way planned parenthood marches are de facto DNC rallies.

And there are a ton of people in this very thread advocating for significant restrictions on ownership, including bans. It's pretty mainstream. I'm not afraid of it nor do I think it's particularly feasible. But it's intellectually dishonest to pretend only a "few with an extremist position" are taking those stances. Do you favor an AWB?

I don't care about being labeled an extremist. There is a reason gun control has been wildly unsuccessful in this country, and it isn't because the NRA has blinded the public to the truth or bought off politicians. It's because Americans, in general, have only fleeting interest in large scale gun control measures. Seems there are a lot of us who are "extremists."
 
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