The Ambition/Direction of our club

[TraffordBlue]

I'm not saying Wolves won't come up and do very well, but let's be honest this conversation gets had every year. Watford were coming up with grand ideas and owners who meant business, Leicester's title win was going to catapult them beyond our reach, Swansea were everything we weren't, with a plan and an identity, and only 2 years ago people were arguing that Southampton were a bigger club than us. Now we're talking about boycotting games and letting the board know we won't accept this situation, while they're on a fast track back to League One with a manager I'd even back Allardyce over. Let's just see how things pan out before we start claiming every team and their dog is going to overtake us.

Couldn't agree more regarding Wolves. All their so called superstars are unproven in the Premier League. Whilst I am not saying that players like Neves and Jota won't be good enough in this league, the fact they have set the Championship alight tells us very little. They come from European sides. So what? Klaassen was Ajax captain and played in the Europa League final scoring loads in the Eredivisie. He's not found it easy in the Premier League. Tosun, whilst I think will be a good signing, has struggled up against the top teams in this league because Everton's team cannot compete with them. So when the likes of Connor Coady is up against Aguero and Kane, Wolves might find it a bit harder than demolishing sides like Burton Albion and Sunderland with their European stars.

 

[Nymzee]

Wolves won’t be in finishing Top 7 next season unless they suddenly are exempt from FFP.

They have some good players but then ex-Norwich Ryan Bennett in defence? John Ruddy in goal? C’mon lads.

 

[Saint Domingo]

There’s been rumours of a top to bottom shake up for 2 years now. If it doesn’t happen this summer we will know that Moshiri is a continuation of Kenwright/Elstone and is only here to build the stadium then sell up.

 

[Tez]

I still have faith. I think there'll be sweeping changes behind the scenes as Paul Joyce predicted in December. New DOF, new manager, new CEO.

Whether it will work is another question. There is ambition make no mistake, the only thing in question is the capability.

 

[jaycee]

Im hoping that the people at the top table know who the next manager is and have made some sort of approach to obtain that person,the problem is I dont think they will have thought ahead,looking at the mess after sacking Koeman I have a horrible feeling they will run round waving wads of cash,end up either with Sam still in charge or a last gasp approach to the flavour of the month manager

 

[AsiaAsia82]

The club ambition doesn’t match the customer ambition

 

[brieverton]

Hindsight is great but the continuance of the "49% takeover" by Moshiri has just led to two camps inside the club with two viewpoints on everything and the result is the mish-mash we've seen.

Having too many cooks not only leads to errors in decision making, it impedes transparency and accountability for performance.

This is encapulsated in the roles of Elstone and Walsh. There is one school of thought that labels both men as mere pen-pushers, who can't really be held responsible for our current state, as neither wields any real power, and the opposite theory that both go off in different tangents with no joined-up decision making.

I don't actually think a lack of ambition is at the core of our problems - but we absolutely do not have a structure that is designed to build a successful club and team. We don't have it now, and didn't have it when Moyes had us on the cusp of the top four and we could have pushed on. We didn't have it after the relative successes of the 80s and thus were left behind after the inception of the PL.

We need people of calibre in all roles and a plan that moves the whole club forward as a unit - Spurs are that club. They have made their own mistakes and learned from them, and don't spend a huge amount in net terms. The difference is that they have a top-class executive and management structure that gets most of the key decisions right. We have the exact opposite.

 

[gaino92]

We need someone sensible to come in and hold Moshiris hand and give him some proper guidance, hopefully that's what we'll see the beginnings off in the summer. The issue is at the moment that he's being guided and influenced by people at the club that have embraced failure for years and years and try to get by on the occasional positive soundbite with no actual substance.

He needs to rid the club of the garbage that has infiltrated it at every level and rebuild properly using his own people. We've had a thread on here already about sentimentality at the club and I don't know another club that goes so out of it's way to keep that sentiment at the expense of actual success. It's like we've put all our effort into achieving the status of a club that does things in the right way but completely lost track of what we're in football for, to win trophies.

The Russian fella that he brought in seems to have his head screwed on when I've seen him interviewed, get some more professional people that can look at the cold hard facts of where we are, and not more ex Evertonians that can spout off loads about our history but actually add nothing to the club going forward.

A rare genuine post by Bungle. Agree with every word mate, i doff my cap to you

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

We need someone sensible to come in and hold Moshiris hand and give him some proper guidance, hopefully that's what we'll see the beginnings off in the summer. The issue is at the moment that he's being guided and influenced by people at the club that have embraced failure for years and years and try to get by on the occasional positive soundbite with no actual substance.

He needs to rid the club of the garbage that has infiltrated it at every level and rebuild properly using his own people. We've had a thread on here already about sentimentality at the club and I don't know another club that goes so out of it's way to keep that sentiment at the expense of actual success. It's like we've put all our effort into achieving the status of a club that does things in the right way but completely lost track of what we're in football for, to win trophies.

The Russian fella that he brought in seems to have his head screwed on when I've seen him interviewed, get some more professional people that can look at the cold hard facts of where we are, and not more ex Evertonians that can spout off loads about our history but actually add nothing to the club going forward.

And then bum him yeah?

 

[d4kyxx]

There is no ambition

As long as we are in the premier league collecting premier league money that’s all they care about

They aren’t prepared to risk spending or being ambitious to improve as they don’t need too. It’s simply enough for them to be in the premier league collecting the money.

 

[Bungle]

And then bum him yeah?

I mean that goes without saying doesn't it?

 

[kithnou]

Ambition = low
Direction = down

 

[blue61]

Hindsight is great but the continuance of the "49% takeover" by Moshiri has just led to two camps inside the club with two viewpoints on everything and the result is the mish-mash we've seen.

Having too many cooks not only leads to errors in decision making, it impedes transparency and accountability for performance.

This is encapulsated in the roles of Elstone and Walsh. There is one school of thought that labels both men as mere pen-pushers, who can't really be held responsible for our current state, as neither wields any real power, and the opposite theory that both go off in different tangents with no joined-up decision making.

I don't actually think a lack of ambition is at the core of our problems - but we absolutely do not have a structure that is designed to build a successful club and team. We don't have it now, and didn't have it when Moyes had us on the cusp of the top four and we could have pushed on. We didn't have it after the relative successes of the 80s and thus were left behind after the inception of the PL.

We need people of calibre in all roles and a plan that moves the whole club forward as a unit - Spurs are that club. They have made their own mistakes and learned from them, and don't spend a huge amount in net terms. The difference is that they have a top-class executive and management structure that gets most of the key decisions right. We have the exact opposite.

And until these issues are resolved, it hardly matters who our manager is. Great post.

 

[bcblue1878]

The club ambition doesn’t match the customer ambition

Customer???

 

[TraffordBlue]

We need the following in my opinion:

• A talented manager to come in who understands the club and fans, is not one dimensional, and wants to try and get us in to the top 4-6 with a sensible plan over the next 2-3 years. One who doesn't go in to away games against Watford and Swansea and see a point as a 'big point'. One who can go to Old Trafford, Anfield and the Emirates and try and exploit their weaknesses but also have a defensive enough mindset to be sensible in the circumstances.*
• Give more time to talented players like Lookman who can go at teams. Just because he doesn't have a massive 'work ethic' does not mean he isn't valuable in other ways
• Tell the older players they are squad players and their experience will be important over the next season but they are no longer first choice. Rooney, Baines, Jagielka.
• Give the Captaincy to Coleman and get bad eggs like Ashley Williams out of the club
• Don't settle for a Stadium Capacity that is vastly inferior to the clubs we are trying to compete with. If it has to be around 55K due to various issues like cost/location constraints but we can still build an iconic intimidating ground, then fine, but settling for less is unambitious.

* Just on the first point, we need a manger without fear. If you look at Thierry Henry's comments at the weekend, he's been sucked in to his mentality where he sees things in the here and now and dismisses anyone outside of the top 6 having ambition, because that is the way things currently are. He says - what do Everton want as fans, and mentions that we didn't like Martinez after a year.

Well to answer that, we want to see a club with 9 league titles and a history of winning things at least try and make progress and get amongst our rightful place at the top of the table. Of course we're not going to walk in to the top 4, but surely as fans we should be demanding that we try? After all, Leicester City won the league with far less resources and defied the odds and proved people like Henry wrong. 10 years ago Manchester City were a nothing side, and 20 years ago they were about to slip in to the 3rd tier.

We turned on Martinez because his style ended up amounting to nothing other than passing the ball pointlessly and having 2 awful seasons with some talented players. I'm sick of hearing comments from the likes of Henry telling us to just sit and accept this 23 year spell of nothingness.