Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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TBF a lot of the US policing experience is down to a lack of money for numbers and equipment, a lack of job security and the state of the US economically and politically.

You end up with poorly paid people driving, often by themselves, around areas that have been wrecked economically and socially (often deliberately) for decades and expected to sort things out whilst armed with a gun. They also have a good idea that, if things do go wrong, they'll either end up dead or fired and compo paid to the victim / their family. Meanwhile somewhere in the state someone else is driving around in an APC with all manner of ex-military tactical gear.

What should happen is proper reform over there, not defunding but a proper debate on what they expect cops to do.
No I'm not for defunding and I agree with that last line. I think we're on the same page here in that the issues are systemic so no amount of weeding out certain people will fix it without a larger shift.
 
I personally think the breakdown in policing is higher level. I don't mean that every officer is personally bad, but on the whole police and especially inner city police have been trained and given experience in policing in a way that makes rooting out just the bad ones impossible as they all could easily be that guy.
Needs to be reform, policy changes, and stricter accountability for sure, especially in our more urban areas it seems. But seeing cops in some situations who were genuinely just standing in a line spit on and verbally assaulted for no reason and my mind goes to, “That guy right there did nothing to you.He’s an individual.” Personally I’m a big advocate for individual accountability. By lumping anyone into a group, good or bad, you just lose sight of so many variables. Police are just my example here too. I think there’s a danger in putting header level labels on anyone.

Now if only someone would hold our “leader” accountable for something...
 
No worries, mate. Soon enough you'll have one less dumbass on the streets of Knoxville.

#lockherup
Unfortunately I don’t actually know who she is. I’d be more than happy to turn her in if I did. Doubt she’ll be too hard to identify though.

Then there was this guy, giving his full name and where he’s from. That’s a bold strategy Cotton.
 
Needs to be reform, policy changes, and stricter accountability for sure, especially in our more urban areas it seems. But seeing cops in some situations who were genuinely just standing in a line spit on and verbally assaulted for no reason and my mind goes to, “That guy right there did nothing to you.He’s an individual.” Personally I’m a big advocate for individual accountability. By lumping anyone into a group, good or bad, you just lose sight of so many variables. Police are just my example here too. I think there’s a danger in putting header level labels on anyone.

Now if only someone would hold our “leader” accountable for something...
The problem is we have a lot of powerful and broken systems that will put individuals in bad places. Without fixing them we're going to just have a lot of people who end up looking like bad individuals that otherwise wouldn't be.
 
I'm just glad he's doing something now that's not adding more petrol to the fire. A crumb is better than nothing
Ya know, I’m not a fan of Mr. Pence at all but think about the patience and restraint he’s exercised acting as Trump’s #2 for a full term. Surprised they never came to blows in the Oval Office.
 
I totally agree but his intentions are only because he is afraid about his political career, if he has really cared about our Republic he had called Trump long ago


I suspect there is a strong element of him being genuinely horrified at what is happening. That he was somewhat an enabler is irrelevant, the man is probably scared out of his mind and did something right in the end.
 
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