1966efc
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I doubt very much that the letter will receive the media exposure that the business people's letter got. It doesn't fit in easily with the Conservative position.
The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )
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I doubt very much that the letter will receive the media exposure that the business people's letter got. It doesn't fit in easily with the Conservative position.
Clint Planet
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That's a lazy analogy that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. There is no denying that the rich are richer and the poor are less well off than they were five years ago, crisis or no crisis, just as there is no denying that Luis Suarez was a better player than anyone on Everton's books last year. I don't support the Labour Party through some emotional attachment, I support it because of a strong sense of injustice (based on facts and statistics) in what is happening right now and a belief in the idea of a fairer, more meritocratic society which has respect for the dignity of working class people instead of demonising them. And I would never dream of supporting another team and yet I've voted three different ways in the last three elections.
I'll be sure to tell Daniel Kahneman next time I see him that Clint is immune from the cognitive biases that befall us all.
1966efc
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The trick is to recognise them. Clarity / objectivity aren't the impossible dream.
And some 2 1/2 hours later, no mention on three major news channels.
I haven't seen much evidence of that in this thread. No one has changed their minds on anything at all, suggesting no real intention of listening to other peoples views or perspectives. 'Evidence' has tended to be used to make a point rather than learn new things (and often comes from the same source).
I'm not saying that I'm any better of course, but lets be realistic here and call a spade a spade.
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Blair was immense yesterday, you could mash all the leaders out there into one to compete with him and still come up short, you can see how he won 3 on the bounce at a canter when he talks like he does.
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1966efc
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I agree. There's a good deal of passion, some uncertain stats and a hefty amount of obfuscation. As someone else noted - can't remember who - it's to the credit of this country that the arguments are in words rather than bullets so perhaps all isn't lost!
I tried to keep out of the thread as a matter of good manners but there have been assertions which are so wildly inaccurate, I couldn't resist the temptation to dive in.
Clint Planet
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I never said that, I said it was a crap analogy. But do carry on.
Very much agree with that.
Clint Planet
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How very odd. What about the non doms thing? Mentioned much?
I have been a long time Labour Party member. In 97 I was taken in by Blair and his clever PR but by 2004 I became very disilusioned, his policies to me seemed 'tory lite' and his background certainly backed this up. The 'New Labour' era was such a lost opportunity, dont get me wrong there was good done (Eg Minimum Wage) but there was so much more that could have been done given the majority they had. Far too much pandering to the usual establishment figures.
I can honestly hand on heart say I am genuinely excited for the first time in over a decade about the direction of my party. So Ed is a little odd and he cant eat a bacon sarnie infront of a camera properly....so what? Policy wise I like what he has to offer, he is standing up to some pretty powerful figures and you know what - he's winning. Despite a barrage of abuse and attempted charachter assassination his approval ratings are the best they've ever been. Why is that? Because people are now seeing the real Ed Miliband, a man of dignity and principle that is taking the unauthordox route to number 10 (He's doing it without the Murdoch press).
People can no longer claim 'They're all the same' when talking about Labour & Conservative. Clear line in the sand between the two now. Am I fearful about Ed's apparent lurch to the left? Not at all, Blair took the party far too right it's not a moment too soon.
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1966efc
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A great deal. Leading most of the channels.
The Mighty Quint
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Seriously, if any member of the public reads that, and considers the NHS important to them, how could they ever vote Tory this time, the working classes in this country who are voting Tory need to take a serious look at themselves.
The Esk
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To be fair, I think this thread is holding up well and in comparison to the level of political discussion around and within the main parties election efforts to date, actually operates at a higher level.
What was refreshing yesterday was there was actually a coherent argument put forward for not having a referendum on Europe, the principle reasons being (i) firstly it is not necessary, we should be campaigning for change within not in/out,(ii) it would be highly disruptive regardless of the result (iii) the implications of a no result and (iv) an interesting observation that perhaps the general public are not best qualified to make the decision in the first place.
Now what would have been fascinating would have been a policy response from the Conservatives and others countering or agreeing with each of the above points.
Instead we got lazy (by design) journalism focusing on the Blair/Miliband relationship and the response from the PM that Blair was being contemptuous with the electorate.
The franchise operations which are the political parties today do not want in-depth analysis of their policies, they prefer sound bites and negative campaigning. I think this thread has risen above that.
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