Summer transfer window.

[Mr Happy]

I'm not it will happen after a few losses, Moysey has lost a lot of goodwill thanks to our pathetic run in and failure to get Europe with it.

Yeah that run in after Chelsea was pathetic even by our own standards.

 

[Bkk Andy]

Ndiaye leaving is going to be a real kick in the balls.

Also will end up making people on here look silly for saying he's not that good. He will be unreal in a proper team.

I just don't understand how these things don't count against Moyes at all in the eyes of Kinnear and TFG.

One of our best players turning down multiple contract offers, and George not being convinced about his playing time. That can't be in the '2 window plan'

Exciting and good aren't the same thing. I like him but his goals and assists stats show that he's replaceable. Will he be "unreal in a proper team"? Maybe, but even if he is his productivity with us still isn't great.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Exciting and good aren't the same thing. I like him but his goals and assists stats show that he's replaceable. Will he be "unreal in a proper team"? Maybe, but even if he is his productivity with us still isn't great.

We haven't had a player have a really good g/a return in how long? Since Calvert Lewin Ancelotti season probably and before that not since Lukaku. There are deeper underlying issues here that are not to do with individual players.

If Ndiaye goes to a team that plays attacking football, gets movement around him, gets a fullback overlapping behind him - wouldn't at all be surprised to see those numbers explode. He's shown he can finish and he's shown he can cross a ball, start of this season he looked unstoppable at times.

Not saying he ends up the same level but it brings to mind Raphinha at Leeds vs Raphinha at Barca.

 

[ValBlue]

How does he fix glaring issues with how he approached the last couple months if he doesn't believe he did anything significantly wrong?

Excellent point

 

[Blue_in_london]

Exciting and good aren't the same thing. I like him but his goals and assists stats show that he's replaceable. Will he be "unreal in a proper team"? Maybe, but even if he is his productivity with us still isn't great.

It's not all about stats though, he brought a degree of confidence to the team and style of play, happy to carry and retain the ball. Meaning less time for us on the back foot chasing shadows. We've lacked a proper baller for years, relying on set pieces to salvage points. It's been a real breath of fresh air having someone with Ndiaye's skill and creativity playing for us. I'll be gutted to see him go if that's true.

 

[Toffeepot]

I think we have an option with George, which normally indicates pre-agreed terms. They’re normally options to purchase, not options to negotiate a possibility. I’m not that convinced by him tbh.

I would rather spend the money on Harry Wilson on a free, even if he does get a hefty signing on bonus or increased wages. The main reason for this is because Wilson has, y’know, been scoring goals and that, whereas George has done nothing but look a bit energetic with his zero goals and zero assists. I think he also managed to pass the ball forward a few times as well.

Wilson got a lot more time on the pitch to score goals and also had proactive FBs behind him

 

[Bkk Andy]

It's not all about stats though, he brought a degree of confidence to the team and style of play, happy to carry and retain the ball. Meaning less time for us on the back foot chasing shadows. We've lacked a proper baller for years, relying on set pieces to salvage points. It's been a real breath of fresh air having someone with Ndiaye's skill and creativity playing for us. I'll be gutted to see him go if that's true.

The creativity you mention doesn't amount to much end product. I'd rather he stayed but I'm not concerned about him leaving. I'd be terrified about how they'd spend the money though.

 

[Blue_in_london]

The creativity you mention doesn't amount to much end product. I'd rather he stayed but I'm not concerned about him leaving. I'd be terrified about how they'd spend the money though.

I think that's just it. I can see us buying a stable/safe/Static/uncreative bunch of players and with our negative tactics we'll be back to scrapping the odd point here and there.

I was just happy to see us playing what I'd describe as actual football this year. Even if it did dry up towards the end of the season.

 

[Blue peter]

That’s why you sack a manager when you’ve already got his replacement lined up. Starting your search for a new manager AFTER sacking your incumbent is what stupid clubs do, I.e what we’ve done under Moshiri for the past decade.

Remember in the days of Kenwright they’d sack someone then talk about advertising the role, like it was going in the Echo or on LinkedIn….pure amateur hour (which is being unfair to amateurs).

 

[Blue peter]

Exciting and good aren't the same thing. I like him but his goals and assists stats show that he's replaceable. Will he be "unreal in a proper team"? Maybe, but even if he is his productivity with us still isn't great.

He’ll get more space in a better team as 1) they likely to have better attacking intent 2) likely more possession and 2) will play alongside better players, so opposition can’t just focus on him. His goals or assists conversion may remain the same but he’ll just generally get more chances to assist or convert

 

[windymiller]

Bring us the one they call El Hadji Malick Diouf.

Please don't

 

[Zatara]

It’s criminal how much we neglect the full back positions. Surely you can get a couple of very good ones to plug and play for 5 years at least for £25m each.

Imagine Truffert & Kayode Thelwell could have had both for under £30mil


David Moyes said no.

I think there are much better rbs out there, at value, than AWB, so would sooner save the money and give Patterson a run.

We need to look much broader than just pl experience, we would’ve signed Tete if he hadn’t have knocked us back ffs.

Stability though.

Tete was a Rohl (sell) type injury prone signing.

We need players who can do 38 games with minimal injuries. Especially with a manager who favours a small squad.

Likely Man Utd. Wouldn't be surprised if Spurs and Newcastle have a go too.

Ndiaye to United or Newcastle gives the most income you'd think.

A swap deal for Miley or Lewis Hall and were laughing.

 

[Mr Happy]

Imagine Truffert & Kayode Thelwell could have had both for under £30mil


David Moyes said no.



Tete was a Rohl (sell) type injury prone signing.

We need players who can do 38 games with minimal injuries. Especially with a manager who favours a small squad.



Ndiaye to United or Newcastle gives the most income you'd think.

A swap deal for Miley or Lewis Hall and were laughing.

Are you on mushrooms ? Loony

 

[Zatara]

Ndiaye leaving is going to be a real kick in the balls.

Also will end up making people on here look silly for saying he's not that good. He will be unreal in a proper team.

I just don't understand how these things don't count against Moyes at all in the eyes of Kinnear and TFG.

One of our best players turning down multiple contract offers, and George not being convinced about his playing time. That can't be in the '2 window plan'

It depends on the replacement & the money.

We are 13th. We need players to elevate us to 6th.

Yes hes great to watch but hes no Le Tissier who can hit 30 yarders and win us games.

Stats and the eye test may be two different things but if we had George, Dibling & £60-70mil on a replacement i'd hope they can slot more than last season.

 

[MACCA75]

Ndiaye leaving is going to be a real kick in the balls.

Also will end up making people on here look silly for saying he's not that good. He will be unreal in a proper team.

I just don't understand how these things don't count against Moyes at all in the eyes of Kinnear and TFG.

One of our best players turning down multiple contract offers, and George not being convinced about his playing time. That can't be in the '2 window plan'

Who has said he’s leaving mate? Turned down contract offers?