Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

Zatara said:
Just to add, I'd be rather impressed if we brought in Tagliafico on a free. There would be serious competition between him and Mykolenko at LB.



Why not look at it as having Argentina's left back join on a free. He then fights it out with Mykolenko every day in training and on the pitch for a starting place.

The possible £10-20mil budgeted for a LB can then be added to the budget for a different position and we could bring in a top attacking right back (e.g Wesley, Flamengo).

I'd be very happy with this.
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I don't really see it that way tbh. You could probably assume from some of my posts that I don't like Mykolenko - that wouldn't actually be true. I think he's a really, really capable defensive left back and extremely reliable and I wouldn't want to sell him, but (assuming we all agree that we at the very least need competition for him) what I'd be looking for is someone with the profile to contribute in areas he doesn't give you as much. Tagliafico is a perfectly decent player, but similar sort of profile (albeit a fair bit older). If we don't have the money to stretch to upgrading on Mykolenko this summer, I'd rather we looked at a loan deal for someone more appropriate
 

gedefc said:
Keane as 4th choice CB to save us from signing a replacement this summer wouldn't be a bad thing

He's 32 though and will want to go and play every week somewhere
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I'm not so sure he does. I'd imagine he trains well and fits in well in the dressing room,but when he crosses the white line he's a bag of nerves.Sitting on our bench picking up a decent wage would suit him down to the ground.
 
toffeeblue9 said:
I know you and I have opposing views on this, but I see Mykolenko as one of three major weaknesses last season's Everton side had in possession (Doucoure and Beto being the other two).

I know you've focused on assists there and you do have a point about the Dyche vs Moyes bit, but my eyes don't tell me he's suddenly better with the ball - just that he's further forward.

I hate to be a stat geek, but since you mentioned the assists bit I'd draw your attention to this...

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This is how he fares in some basic metrics vs other full backs in the top 5 European leagues - in other words, he's a below average full back in terms of what he does with the ball. Now, I'm all for relying on what my eyes tell me, but I'd argue that these stats are just backing up what I already thought.
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Obviously as you say a difference of opinion, i like stats, but to a certain extent once it gets past goals, assists etc i would prefer to use the eye test.
But i fully understand the requirement for it and how it helps those in the know, i think a combination of both is the best form of judging a player (which luckily i think Moyes does).

I would say though, we aren't a possession team, and less teams are being successful being possession based.
He rarely gets beat one on one
He covers plenty of the pitch (under Moyes anyway)
He does chip in with contributions

If his role is to 'give N'Diaye the ball' he's done a good job.
 
Vaughan said:
The other case for having a more attacking left ball is that it's branthwaite's side to cover, and he's so good and so mobile that we can afford to let a bit more space in behind there cos he'll sweep it up

which is what he does a lot for Mykolenko anyway
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While he is covering though, it limits his ability to come out with the ball as the full back isn't there to tuck in.

With our central midfielders not being the most enthusiastic to come and get the ball s of the centre halves, Branthwaite coming out with the ball is extremely important to how we play
 

Raino85 said:
1 goal and 2 assists in 18 games under Moyes (I'm only basing it under Moyes as Dyce wouldn't let him go over the halfway line).......for a full back who's first priority is to defend, is a decent outlay

Compare that to Keane Lewis Potter, who i thought was great last season at left back for Brentford (converted from left forward), 1 goal and 4 assists in 38 games
Kerkez got 2 goals and 6 assists in 38 games, which is good, but not far off what Mykolenko might get in a full Moyes season?

He's not perfect by any means, and a lot lies on him being our only left back, but he's improved massively going forward 2nd half of the season. Especially if you consider our best attacking player plays in front of him
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the game is more than two stats mate

those two you mentioned are levels above Mykolenko and will contribute much more to the attacking play than an assist.

also Myko's two assists were two loopy doopy crosses, that were made into goals by powerful runs and headers from JOB and Charly
 
Raino85 said:
Obviously as you say a difference of opinion, i like stats, but to a certain extent once it gets past goals, assists etc i would prefer to use the eye test.
But i fully understand the requirement for it and how it helps those in the know, i think a combination of both is the best form of judging a player (which luckily i think Moyes does).

I would say though, we aren't a possession team, and less teams are being successful being possession based.
He rarely gets beat one on one
He covers plenty of the pitch (under Moyes anyway)
He does chip in with contributions

If his role is to 'give N'Diaye the ball' he's done a good job.
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Just to reiterate what I said to Zat, you could probably be forgiven for assuming that I don't like Myko - that would be wrong. I really value him from a defensive perspective. He's very reliable and does everything you want defensively and I wouldn't want to sell him at all as there's 100% a place for that. The flip side of my argument is that I think we're all in agreement that we at least need competition for Mykolenko? (given he's literally the only left back at the club) If that's the case, all I'd say is that we should be focusing on someone who gives you what Mykolenko doesn't excel in - if we are encouraging Ndiaye to occupy more central areas, then you're asking your left back to be the attacking outlet on the left. I'm not asking for Leighton Baines, but I'd argue that whoever we bring in as as a left back needs to be more assured in possession and a more natural crosser of the ball than Mykolenko, whilst I appreciate that it would be difficult to find anyone who can do that but also give you as much defensively as Mykolenko does - in that aspect, there aren't many in the league I think are better than him.
 
Vaughan said:
the game is more than two stats mate

those two you mentioned are levels above Mykolenko and will contribute much more to the attacking play than an assist.

also Myko's two assists were two loopy doopy crosses, that were made into goals by powerful runs and headers from JOB and Charly
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Ok you win.

Do you have the stats for more loopy doopy crosses? Seem'as you know more than me
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Just to reiterate what I said to Zat, you could probably be forgiven for assuming that I don't like Myko - that would be wrong. I really value him from a defensive perspective. He's very reliable and does everything you want defensively and I wouldn't want to sell him at all as there's 100% a place for that. The flip side of my argument is that I think we're all in agreement that we at least need competition for Mykolenko? (given he's literally the only left back at the club) If that's the case, all I'd say is that we should be focusing on someone who gives you what Mykolenko doesn't excel in - if we are encouraging Ndiaye to occupy more central areas, then you're asking your left back to be the attacking outlet on the left. I'm not asking for Leighton Baines, but I'd argue that whoever we bring in as as a left back needs to be more assured in possession and a more natural crosser of the ball than Mykolenko, whilst I appreciate that it would be difficult to find anyone who can do that but also give you as much defensively as Mykolenko does - in that aspect, there aren't many in the league I think are better than him.
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Agreed, he at least needs competition or cover,i dont want to move Branthwaite out there. i think it depends who the other full back is as well.

when Moyes started again he began with a hybrid 3-4-3 with Lindstrum & Mykolenko providing the width, but also being able to turn into a 4-2-3-1 with O'Brien being right full back.

I think the Lindstrum being a wing back thing was to compensate for if at 4-2-3-1....your full backs aren't offering a huge amount going forward. If our right full back was a mad Denzel Dumfries type, i think Mykolenko's attacking output wouldn't be a discussion

Nice to have a conversation on here with alternative thoughts without name calling
 

toffeeblue9 said:
I know you and I have opposing views on this, but I see Mykolenko as one of three major weaknesses last season's Everton side had in possession (Doucoure and Beto being the other two).

I know you've focused on assists there and you do have a point about the Dyche vs Moyes bit, but my eyes don't tell me he's suddenly better with the ball - just that he's further forward.

I hate to be a stat geek, but since you mentioned the assists bit I'd draw your attention to this...

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This is how he fares in some basic metrics vs other full backs in the top 5 European leagues - in other words, he's a below average full back in terms of what he does with the ball. Now, I'm all for relying on what my eyes tell me, but I'd argue that these stats are just backing up what I already thought.
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Are those stats for the season? As they would look different if only under Moyes
 
Toffe3m4n said:
Is it just me or does anyone else not pay a blind bit of notice to any transfer 'links' unless it comes from one of Joyce or Ornstein?

Wouldn't believe a single story about this Barry kid until it comes from one of them personally...
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In the majority of cases, someone tends to have reported those links before Joyce or Ornstein do, it's just that they never report rubbish. They might not be first, but they're obviously ultra-reliable

For example I remember seeing some spurious Ben Doak links a few months ago, I forget from whom now, but then Joyce reported it last month and now we all know that there's genuine interest there. Joyce has also confirmed the Thierno Barry stuff, but he definitely wasn't the first to mention it.
 

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