Summer Transfer Window 2017

[windymiller]

Well no. At right-back we have two very promising players (one of which is a CB) to provide that 'depth' when Seamus is out. They'll get their chances and hopefully take them.

Issue is, as Seamus is out for six months, we shouldn't be going into a season (which could be very very busy) with two 20-year-old full-backs, one of whom has a huge 70 minutes of game time in the Premier League...

So instead of bucking Kenny's progression with a 'huge' signing, it's surely sensible to get in a player the manager knows and trusts (on a free) as back-up to both Kenny and Holgate?

I don't think this is a case like Cleverley's, where Martinez viewed him as the answer to our playmaker issues...

No one is saying don't get a right back in, just that this right back isn't good enough. Coleman might come back unchanged as a player, he might not. If we're signing a player to a 3 year deal I want him to be able to compete with Coleman as well as with the young lads. If we're looking for a stop gap sign an older player on a one year deal. This Cuco deal makes little sense to me.

 

[BlueToff]

Did you see the Chelsea game mate, the one he was so bad in his defending became a meme?

Did you see our two games against Chelsea this season mate, where we conceded eight goals and scored none? pretty sure there were some shambolic performances from players better than Martina in those games!

This isn't a jibe btw, I'm not like a Martina super-fan! I just think it's a sensible - albeit underwhelming - option on a free with no risk.

 

[Zatara]

D for me - a short term replacement who will also push Coleman when he's back. A Zabaleta or a Sagna.
If we are genuinely looking at becoming a top 6 side we need better than Martina

I don't think that would be a good idea as it stunts Kenny again.

For me, we should be starting Kenny now and with Holgate/Connolly on the books we have 2 u20 England players and an u21 player who can all play in the position.

Prefer to give these guys a go after a preseason than spend money on new signings or useless frees like martina

 

[carolinablue232]

Did you see the Chelsea game mate, the one he was so bad in his defending became a meme?

Was it worse than the 5-0 drubbing Chelsea laid on us this season? Our defenders would've been memes but they were invisible.

 

[BlueToff]

No one is saying don't get a right back in, just that this right back isn't good enough. Coleman might come back unchanged as a player, he might not. If we're signing a player to a 3 year deal I want him to be able to compete with Coleman as well as with the young lads. If we're looking for a stop gap sign an older player on a one year deal. This Cuco deal makes little sense to me.

Where are you getting this three year deal stuff from anyway? You've made that up back in the thread? (you may well be right)

And you make some good points. I too would like to see us going for better. But... I can understand this. It's a quick deal we can get done quickly and on the cheap.

He has PL experience, knows the manager and has played in Europe.

On a short term deal for no big expenditure I don't mind it. Not thrilled, but it's nothing to get upset about unless people were expecting us to sign real top quality for a position we already have quality in. We're just - at the moment - lacking numbers and experience.

 

[Roger Milla]

We've got one of the best rb's in Europe playing for us. He happens to be out injured.

We've got a really promising RB coming through the ranks and a young CB who has done well at RB but has faded as the season went on.

We've got a really busy season ahead of us.

This would be a sensible, easy-to-do deal that would see us well-stocked for that position until Coleman gets back to fitness.

If Holgate, Kenny and Connoly spent next season on loan at other clubs I'll understand a bit more. Bit as I see it, we're signing another player that Southampton don't see fit enough to sit on their bench (like Stek who I said was crap when we signed him) and who will potentially stall the progress of Kenny and Connoly (much like Alcarez, we would of beat Kiev if a young Stones had played).

Just don't see the logic mate tbh

 

[BlueToff]

I don't think that would be a good idea as it stunts Kenny again.

For me, we should be starting Kenny now and with Holgate/Connolly on the books we have 2 u20 England players and an u21 player who can all play in the position.

Prefer to give these guys a go after a preseason than spend money on new signings or useless frees like martina

I reckon those guys will be given a go in preseason Zat and if they impress then they'll retain their places (much like Holgate last season).

But, rather than gamble on them impressing/making the step up - and then leaving it late to get a RB, it seems sensible to get a player the manager knows from before in who has a bit more experience to be able to have as an option.

 

[windymiller]

He hasn't really been 'shown up'.

I've never watched a game with him in it and thought 'f me he's awful'. I've seen him play, and just took the player for what he is. A bang average player as a back up.

Now I don't particularly want the player her. I'd much rather prefer us to go out and get somebody like Veltman who could fill two positions very well - and combine that with a top-class CB signing - but if the manager wants Martina to come in purely as some added competition for little cost then I trust his judgement.

It's just a bit 'meh'. He isn't a 'great signing', he'd just be there to add a bit more competition for the young lads. Holgate has had a torrid last few games and Kenny has had two PL appearances in his career, so I'll reserve judgement until we see more.

Would the fans of any of the teams above us accept, let alone defend, the signing of a "bang average player"? We have an inferiority complex from the fans all the way up to the board room.

 

[windymiller]

Where are you getting this three year deal stuff from anyway? You've made that up back in the thread? (you may well be right)

And you make some good points. I too would like to see us going for better. But... I can understand this. It's a quick deal we can get done quickly and on the cheap.

He has PL experience, knows the manager and has played in Europe.

On a short term deal for no big expenditure I don't mind it. Not thrilled, but it's nothing to get upset about unless people were expecting us to sign real top quality for a position we already have quality in. We're just - at the moment - lacking numbers and experience.

The 3 year deal thing was in the dubious report posted earlier that kicked this all of (it may be bs). He's 27 though, he ain't coming on a one year deal, he'll have other offers.

 

[LocalNative]

This is the same old garbage we had with Moyes. Buy in some adequate (no better than that) squad fillers and aim to be best of the rest. While the teams we are looking to catch aim to have two quality players in every position we load up on this dross and can't understand why we never (or very rarely) finish any better than "the best of the rest". We still lack ambition, sadly.

We need about 10 players this summer, not all over them can cost big money ffs.

 

[BlueToff]

If Holgate, Kenny and Connoly spent next season on loan at other clubs I'll understand a bit more. Bit as I see it, we're signing another player that Southampton don't see fit enough to sit on their bench (like Stek who I said was crap when we signed him) and who will potentially stall the progress of Kenny and Connoly (much like Alcarez, we would of beat Kiev if a young Stones had played).

Just don't see the logic mate tbh

Kiev hit us for 5 ffs - Alcaraz was crap but not at fault for it all so what you're saying is a huge stretch. And Stones was an established first team player who should have played that game. Kenny and Connolly aren't.

Kenny may well go out on loan. Connolly too.

The thing is they'll most likely be given a full pre-season to get game time. If they really impress - like Holgate did last year - they'll keep their places.

But that isn't a sure thing. The step up is massive, and Koeman probably wants a more experienced player that he knows to call upon should it be required.

And rather than spend huge wages on an older player like Zabaleta or Sagna, or spend a hefty transfer fee on a hipster, FIFA-spaffing favourite, he'd rather get a cheap, easy deal done early on to have said player bedded in.

Now does that not seem sensible?

 

[BlueToff]

The 3 year deal thing was in the dubious report posted earlier that kicked this all of (it may be bs). He's 27 though, he ain't coming on a one year deal, he'll have other offers.

He signed a 2-year deal at Saints. I'd imagine it'd be the same length here (maybe 2, with an option to extend).

He wouldn't be on huge wages (15k p/w tops - all relative I know) and would just give us an option.

See my replies to Zatara and the others. Hope I've explained what I mean by that.

 

[Kenshin]

@catcherintherye @BlueToff

You both have opposite opinions on Cuco Martina...here's mine for what it's worth...

. The only reason I think to sign such a hopeless excuse of a 'premier league' player is to be backup to Kenny.

I think that this means 3 things;

1 -- Kenny will start the season at right back



3 -- We will know by the length of contract, if its 1 year then ok he's just cover for Kenny

if this means Kenny starts games

Still, I cant believe we don't just use Connolly as cover for half a season

If it's going to be;

Coleman/Kenny/Martina
Baines/Connolly

Without claiming to know how good Kenny and Connolly are,

I'm sorry zatara but what the hell is this? What the hell are you basing any of this on? how many games has Kenny played for the first team? How many games did he cover for coleman in after he got injured? Yet you are spouting that he will be starting in august? Then you throw in connolly?

In fact between the two of them they have made 3 substitute appearances ever for the club . Why the hell are you going on about them suddenly playing for the first team out of nowhere? If kenny is good enough he will make the step up but i can guarantee you Koeman isn't sitting around even contemplating putting Kenny in the team based on his 2 substitute appearances he has made.

I'm sorry but it is talking out of your arse to make giant posts about players then, in your own words don't claim them to be good enough anyway! It is literally picking young right backs at the club out and claiming you know exactly what koeman will do.

I know what koeman could do, he could sign the lad he got as a back up once before for cheap and use him again. That is a realistic opinion.

 

[windymiller]

We need about 10 players this summer, not all over them can cost big money ffs.

They should all be able to play football to a PL level though. 3rd choice RB at a team that finished 15 points behind us in the league. #ambition

 

[Zatara]

I reckon those guys will be given a go in preseason Zat and if they impress then they'll retain their places (much like Holgate last season).

But, rather than gamble on them impressing/making the step up - and then leaving it late to get a RB, it seems sensible to get a player the manager knows from before in who has a bit more experience to be able to have as an option.

Experience of failure