Steve Walsh - no longer our Director of Football

[rochdaleblue]

He identified at least ten we know about, securing them was the problem Again Bill Kenwright is delighted you are seething at only Walsh and not him.

At the start of the summer Walsh was getting plaudits for our quick transfer business and ability to tie up the deals so efficiently. Yet our failure to land a striker is down to kenwright? I agree to a point that kenwright is involved in discussions to sign players, but I'm sorry Walsh is accountable for not getting a replacement in. It was always going to be a long shot to entice giroud or Costa here. But to not get at least 'one of ten' you suggest makes it even worse.

 

[billyblue80]

That is just a totally made up stat!

Well we know of four or five at least but do you really think there wasn't a longer list than that?The likes of Henry prove there was a list for now and for the future. Bill should be removed from any negotiating role I will continue saying this. Blaming a DOF who is mostly a scout entirely is letting Bill off the hook and he's the consistent party in years of failures in the market and in our malaise.

 

[billyblue80]

At the start of the summer Walsh was getting plaudits for our quick transfer business and ability to tie up the deals so efficiently. Yet our failure to land a striker is down to kenwright? I agree to a point that kenwright is involved in discussions to sign players, but I'm sorry Walsh is accountable for not getting a replacement in. It was always going to be a long shot to entice giroud or Costa here. But to not get at least 'one of ten' you suggest makes it even worse.

Of course he's accountable some of his signings haven't worked some were in places we were already strong as is Koeman as he clearly ok'd some players and clearly picked Rooney, Martina and Klassen. Your Sandro/Keane/Pickford/Henry look more like Walsh picks.

But Bill should be mentioned in this too yet all I see is Walsh getting the kicking. Remember who signs or doesn't sign players, Walsh doesn't negotiate as far as I know? He draws up the list and agrees with Koeman then it goes to the board this is my belief. So is it his failure or collective and who is the head of collective? Is having a DOF a handy scapegoat here?

 

[riddick]

Wayne Rooney - England and Manchester United's all time record goalscorer.
Sandro Ramirez - 15 goals in La Liga last season
Henry Onyekuru - Supposedly a hot prospect. Scored for fun in the Belgian League last season

To say we didn't sign a striker is just not true. We did. The only problem is Koeman didn't get the one he wanted (Giroud I would assume) so instead he plays like we did sign him instead of adapting to what he has got and finding a system for them that works.

I guess a lot depends on what role Mr Walsh has (and although people like to pretend they do, lets face it, they don't.) If his task is to sign up young prospects then he is doing well. If his job is just to sign first team players then obviously he is doing badly. On the surface of it though many of our first team signings look like Koeman players. But again I am just summizing there.

Wayne Rooney, oh he of 5 goals in 25 appearances last season, Sandro Ramirez who scored 15 goals in a COMPLETELY different league in almost every aspect and Henry Onyekuru who we bought then immediately loaned out and isn't available.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Of course he's accountable some of his signings haven't worked some were in places we were already strong as is Koeman as he clearly ok'd some players and clearly picked Rooney, Martina and Klassen. Your Sandro/Keane/Pickford/Henry look more like Walsh picks.

But Bill should be mentioned in this too yet all I see is Walsh getting the kicking. Remember who signs or doesn't sign players, Walsh doesn't negotiate as far as I know? He draws up the list and agrees with Koeman then it goes to the board this is my belief. So is it his failure or collective and who is the head of collective? Is having a DOF a handy scapegoat here?

Therein lies the problem in your opening paragraph. Are both koeman and Walsh singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to signings. It is very difficult to get a DOF in tune with his managers needs. You just get the impression that koeman's opinion will hold more weight regarding targets and some will say rightly so as a manager. However it leaves Walsh in a precarious position should RK get the sack and Koeman has had a stronger say in transfer policy.

 

[Papa Shango]

Wayne Rooney, oh he of 5 goals in 25 appearances last season, Sandro Ramirez who scored 15 goals in a COMPLETELY different league in almost every aspect and Henry Onyekuru who we bought then immediately loaned out and isn't available.

Sigh.... if you have read anything of mine on here you will know I was fuming about Rooney signing for us. I still am.

Fact is strikers HAVE been bought. If he didn't get the one he wanted then tough, he needs to adapt himself to work with what he has. That's what good managers do.

 

[Papa Shango]

Well we know of four or five at least but do you really think there wasn't a longer list than that?The likes of Henry prove there was a list for now and for the future. Bill should be removed from any negotiating role I will continue saying this. Blaming a DOF who is mostly a scout entirely is letting Bill off the hook and he's the consistent party in years of failures in the market and in our malaise.

No we don't know four or five. Unless we are believing the papers? We have NO idea what goes on behind the scenes. Fr all we know he may have said get me one of Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Suarez or Griezmann.

There may be someone we want who was not willing to leave in a World Cup year but may be interested next year (he wont now...) so instead its better to wait for him rather than buy number 7 on the list.

You can say it as much as you want, it doesn't make it any more true! (I am not even saying you are wrong, just that you have no idea if what you are saying is true.)

I don't blame Walsh at all as I don't know what his role is fully. Koeman buggering off on holiday in both windows probably did not help but whatever.

 

[Blue Horse]

Apart from getting alot of the credit for bringing in the players that won Leicester the league what else has Walsh achieved that has people thinking that his arrival would start the flow of quality players arriving at Everton that would lead to silverware?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Should follow Koeman out the door

 

[Moomin]

Apart from getting alot of the credit for bringing in the players that won Leicester the league what else has Walsh achieved that has people thinking that his arrival would start the flow of quality players arriving at Everton that would lead to silverware?

He discovered Zola.

 

[lancs blue]

Apart from getting alot of the credit for bringing in the players that won Leicester the league what else has Walsh achieved that has people thinking that his arrival would start the flow of quality players arriving at Everton that would lead to silverware?

He played for wigan

 

[billyblue80]

No we don't know four or five. Unless we are believing the papers? We have NO idea what goes on behind the scenes. Fr all we know he may have said get me one of Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Suarez or Griezmann.

There may be someone we want who was not willing to leave in a World Cup year but may be interested next year (he wont now...) so instead its better to wait for him rather than buy number 7 on the list.

You can say it as much as you want, it doesn't make it any more true! (I am not even saying you are wrong, just that you have no idea if what you are saying is true.)

I don't blame Walsh at all as I don't know what his role is fully. Koeman buggering off on holiday in both windows probably did not help but whatever.

The number on the list wasn't really my point.(although we heard reports on us actually asking about Giroud, Babacar, Jimenez, Niang, Benteke).But fair enough, we don't know for sure how many and we don't know who was and wasn't available, what we do know is that nobody was brought in and Walsh doesn't negotiate. My point was it's not just down to Walsh and Koeman in this circumstance. Kenwright and Mosh need to be in this equation. It's a collective failure, only blaming the person who identifies talent is ignoring the other side of it and that's doing the negotiation and in my view Bill isn't the man who should be involved. Even if I agree Walsh is as much up for criticism for the lack of balance in the first team signings as Koeman is.

 

[MACCA75]

Apart from getting alot of the credit for bringing in the players that won Leicester the league what else has Walsh achieved that has people thinking that his arrival would start the flow of quality players arriving at Everton that would lead to silverware?

Was quite a good P.E teacher by all accounts. They even let him have an input into the school team. They were a good side, just had no striker and all the kids wanted to play at number 10.

 

[Papa Shango]

The number on the list wasn't my point. But fair enough we don't know and we don't know who was and wasn't available what we do know is that nobody was brought in and Walsh doesn't negotiate. My point was it's not just down to Walsh and Koeman in this circumstance. Kenwright and Mosh need to be in this equation. It's a collective failure blaming the person who identifies talent is ignoring the other side of it. Even if I agree Walsh is as much up for criticism for the lack of balance in the first team signings as Loan is.

Sorry I don't get this...

So what exactly are you expecting Kenwright and Moshiri to do? Bundle prospective players into the boot of an awaiting car?

If the player Koeman wants does not want to come here then what happens next?

 

[Blue Pride of Brum]

Swap you dafties for Carson Yeung. Realise what you got before it’s gone lads. Take it from the other blues.