we dont need music to intimidate teams , the crowd do that just fine
a night game against one of so called big teams and we intimidate better than any music.
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a night game against one of so called big teams and we intimidate better than any music.
Music at team entrances and to celebrate a goal is much better suited to indoor sports e.g. ice hockey rather than footie grounds.
Much as Z-Cars is and has been part and parcel of Everton folklore since the 60's, and I would miss it if we stopped using it and cannot readily think of a suitable replacement, it is getting a bit dated as the generation who remember watching the programme age, and it isn't really intimidating.
Maybe a professionally recorded and produced version of "the School of Science is on its way back" ??
Much as Z-Cars is and has been part and parcel of Everton folklore since the 60's, and I would miss it if we stopped using it and cannot readily think of a suitable replacement, it is getting a bit dated as the generation who remember watching the programme age, and it isn't really intimidating.
Maybe a professionally recorded and produced version of "the School of Science is on its way back" ??
RobotCrow
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Sure--which just comes full circle to the comment that started this sub-conversation: American sports use music (typically) in a different way than it's used in european football leagues, so it's not surprising that an american commentator would be perplexed by something like Z-Cars.
To be clear--I'm firmly in the pro-Z-Cars camp; I'm just saying that it struck me as a bit odd as well in my early days as an Evertonian because it's defo not what I was used to.
RobotCrow
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zactly, right there. Crowds over here can be raucous and what not, but good heavens the stadiums treat us like sheep--telling us specifically when to shout, when to cheer, when to "GET LOUD!!!!" and "MAKE SOME NOIZE!!!!" like we're a bunch of toddlers. It all seems normal until you go to Europe and see how crowd noise is produced so organically that you realize how much of it in USA is manufactured by jumbotron messages. Pity.
I think a big part of it has to do with the separated sections for opposing teams. I think it is easier to try and get something going chant/song-wise if you at least know the people sat around you are supporting the same team. Also, those "MAKE SOME NOIZE!!!!" messages on the Jumbotron are to keep the crowd focused when there is a stoppage of play, something that doesn't happen in footy. Going to the hockey games after being at Goodison is such a let down, the only chant you hear is "GO [team name inserted here] GO!" repeated incessantly. I think the fact that they don't separate the fans takes a lot of the vitriol one might have towards the opposing team and its fans as well.
Toffeelover
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The odd thing though is that Z-Cars was sited as being in Kirkby nowhere near Goodison. No doubt some souls on here can explain why the club adopted the tune.
Pienaar's gloves
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I'm excited all day about hearing Z-Cars. I'm already excited to hear it tomorrow.
I know the club don't get a choice but that PL anthem is a bit gash.
I know the club don't get a choice but that PL anthem is a bit gash.
You on about the "I'm on Fire!" song by Kasabian that Sky is always playing? If so, I quite like it.
GwladysStreetHero
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Maybe a touch of the topic like but went to stoke on New Year's Day just gone an they played the instrumental of eminem lose yourself for like 20 mins before the players came was awful.
So give me z cars any day!!!!
So give me z cars any day!!!!
Pienaar's gloves
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Nah at every PL ground every team plays this gash music while they all shake hands. It's dreadful!
Pienaar's gloves
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emb
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One of the cast was a blue, and the club played it when they brought some of the others to the game. It stuck.
The tune itself is a Liverpool folk song called Johnny Todd ,about a lad who abandons his fiancée to go to sea and comes back to find she's married another sailor.
Toffeelover
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Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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The next post is what I was going to say, apart from adding that why on earth do American teams use music from bands that have absolutely nothing to do with them
They played it as you say because the Cast of Z-Cars attended a game, maybe we trounced someone that day and they thought it lucky.
They should have Brian Blessed on the mic one time I reckon seeing as he was the main character, we wouldn't even have to TURN THE THING ON !!!!!
Johnny Todd
Traditional: Collected by Frank Kidson
Arranged: Stan Kelly
Lyrically
Johnny Todd he took a notion
For to cross the ocean wide.
There he left his true love a-weeping
Waiting by the Liverpool tide.
For a week she wept full sorely,
Tore her hair and wrung her hands
Till she met with another sailor
Walking on the Liverpool sands.
O fair maid why are you weeping
For your Johnny gone to sea?
If you'll wed with me tomorrow
I will kind and constant be.
I will buy you sheets and blankets,
I'll buy you a wedding ring.
You shall have a gilded cradle
For to rock you baby in.
Johnny Todd came home from sailing,
Far across the ocean wide,
There he found that his fair and false one
Was another sailor's bride.
So, all you lads who go a-sailing
For to fight the foreign foe.
Never leave your true love like Johnny,
Marry her before you go!
Notes
Collected as a children's play (skipping) song in Liverpool, the words
were filled out by Frank Kidson, who collected it from a singer
of deficient memory. The verse about sheets and blankets crops
up in one form or another in many songs and the first verse is
often sung:
Johnny Todd he took a notion
For to cross the raging tide,
And he left his true love behind him
Weeping on the Liverpool side.
(the Liverpool side of the river, that is, not the Birkenhead
side). Another version of the tune was passed from Ewan McColl
to Marlene Dietrich, who sang it in cabaret for a while.
Much later, the song was re-immortalised when Fritz Spiegel,
sometime flautist with the Liverpool Philarmonic Orchestra, and
his ex-wife, Bridget Fry, arranged the melody as the signature tune
for the television series "Z-cars." The effect aimed at was that
of the fife-and-drum band playing in an Orangeday parade. The
section of the Liverpool Phil that recorded the tune found some
difficulty in playing the "off" notes.
Catholic Club eh ? John Moores may have installed based on that bold bit.
@davek will be livid.
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