Squad - what squad?!!

[neil999]

I'd say that was the transitional phase - Moyes was basically told "buy players or keep your existing quality players happy and at the club by using the cash instead to beef up wages". He did the latter and it didn't work out for him. Since then he's had no option at all. He's been told (and he's accepted) that available money is being diverted away from the playing side to pay down debt. I had hoped this summer might have brought about a new chapter on the back of more tv cash and Moyes having a bargaining position over his contract. Thus far we've just seen millions in wages shifted out offset by Pienaar's return + Naismith's wages.

My gripe is this: Moyes has a hand to play and he isn't willing to buck the staus quo to play it. Primarily because he knows he has nowhere better to run to if the board call his bluff....although my sneaking suspicion is that Moyes is a very conservative man and rocking the boat doesn't come naturally to him, and he's someone quite happy as long as he's getting patted n the head and told what a wonderful job he's doing against the odds. He's exactly the type of manager that we can least afford right now.

the problem is if moyes was to leave kenwright is hardly gonna go for a manager that IS gonna rock the boat, he would prob look for someone similar to moyes

so again it goes back to changing the board to move forward

 

[Neiler]

Davek.
I see the events of the last few years at the club in a different way.I think that David Moyes felt that players like Arteta,Cahill ,Baines,Jagielka and a few others could only be kept at the club if a new level of wages were to be paid.We saw huge new contracts given to Cahill,Neville,Arteta,Bily ,Heitinga etc....even Yobo apparently was given 55k per week and there was no intention of playing him.
We couldn't sustain those levels,we were going deeper in debt,we couldn't sign any new players and ultimately our team was still short of probably three players to make us competitive at the upper levels.
I think the manager has realised that he has to go back to the earlier template of signing bargain turning them into better players and accepting this a player will have to sold to help balance the books.
This will continue until new money is pumped into the club,we don't have the wealth in our current board to invest money and we don't have a ground ,fanbase or club profile that can generate the kind of money that other clubs can generate.
Regarding David Moyes,I would say that I am generally supportive,apart from his tendency to be a negative manager than positive.I think he gets his tactics right against top four teams more often than not.However,it is his tendency to pick defensive ,dull teams at home against teams at the bootom of the league that infuriates me.Certain teams come to Goodison expecting to be beaten and the manager gives them a present of point because of his lack of adventure in his team selection.

Good post that mate.

 

[Ihaters]

Then you have a static view of relationships. If Moyes could be defined apart from the Everton board in that he was ambitious and demanding that at least money brought into the club from sales be recycled for team purposes, then that period was before 2009. I see that as the watershed year when he stopped fighting for team progression and accepted the board's demands to pull the team's horns in and hunker down to pay off organisational debt...debt that the board ran up by failing to invest personally but rather seeking to keep borrowing at a heavy cost for the club. Moyes signed up for that programme of cuts. He also then publically denounced supporters who made a stand against the change in direction in order to shore up his beleaguered board of directors.

I have no hesitation in declaring Moyes and the board as one. It's a regime of managed decline and Moyes is one of the overseers of that decline. Hearing the words 'ambition' and 'achievement' come from his mouth is a complete piss take. Botttom line is that he's a phenomenally expensive CEO of an organisation that's being asset stripped. Each passing year serves to underline that.

You can't see the difference between an employee doing well and an employer not doing well?