Sportspesa

[GwladysPhil]

also people who gamble are addicted as you say, makes absolutely ZERO difference whether we are sponsored by betting firms or not, galmbers will gambler, they are every other advert, they have bookies every 5 or 6 shops.

All I'm trying to say is gambling shouldn't be so heavily advertised.

 

[Jebus_lives]

After watching the Ross Kemp programme regarding betting addiction and the problems what people go through due to it, I think it's terrible we are letting ourselves be sponsored by Sportspesa, especially with all the work we have done in the community.

It's cheap of the club choosing this cause they are the highest bidder.

I think the we as fans should be pushing for a change of sponsor sooner rather than later.

This is even with all the trouble in Kenya currently going on with them.

I'm not adverse to us being sponsored by SportsPesa because they're a gambling company, but I am adverse to their sponsorship because they are an absolute shower who seem to constantly undermine us through their social media.

 

[hirons11]

Whilst not focused on the additive side of gambling it gives a good insight to how the bookies don't really like you to actually win and when you do they close your account or restrict your stake. They really aren't very ethical companies at all.

Can You Beat The Bookies?

Comedian Lloyd Griffith tries to uncover the secrets of gambling success.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[evertonarntwe]

All I'm trying to say is gambling shouldn't be so heavily advertised.

I mean you are probably right, but then again I don't think it makes a difference for the reasons I have stated

theirs probably cons for advertising everything

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Anyone is vulnerable to addiction

They aren't. This kind of attitude diminishes personal responsibility. It's not a disease that can be caught. Strip out the rare extreme cases of people predisposed to any kind of addiction due to certain medical conditions and in the majority of cases it boils down to a choice and a lack of self discipline. People choose to smoke, they choose to drink excessively, choose to take drugs and choose to gamble. Doesn't change the fact that these people need support to get themselves out of that hole. But it's important to remember that it's ultimately a hole dug and maintained by themselves. Exactly the same with alcohol, smoking, obesity etc.

 

[GwladysPhil]

They aren't. This kind of attitude diminishes personal responsibility. It's not a disease that can be caught. Strip out the rare extreme cases of people predisposed to any kind of addiction due to certain medical conditions and in the majority of cases it boils down to a choice and a lack of self discipline. People choose to smoke, they choose to drink excessively, choose to take drugs and choose to gamble. Doesn't change the fact that these people need support to get themselves out of that hole. But it's important to remember that it's ultimately a hole dug and maintained by themselves. Exactly the same with alcohol, smoking, obesity etc.

I'm not discussing this any further with you - it's like saying homless people should just buy a house. It's an illness.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Whilst not focused on the additive side of gambling it gives a good insight to how the bookies don't really like you to actually win and when you do they close your account or restrict your stake. They really aren't very ethical companies at all.

Can You Beat The Bookies?

Comedian Lloyd Griffith tries to uncover the secrets of gambling success.

www.bbc.co.uk

bookies don't want you to win? hahahahaha

come on mate, of course they don't they wouldn't have a business if everyone won

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Again, Eh? Your response doesn’t make sense. My response to you was that you posted facts that were wrong about drinking , you were the one who tried to support the argument by using drink as an example. If you can’t accept you were wrong and that there is legislation in place, then it’s a pointless discussion.

I dont get your point - you said I was wrong because pubs dont serve someone who is visibly drunk - but my point is the restriction on the roulette gamblimg machines in betting shops isnt down to who "looks to be a gambling addict" its a cap on everyone and the cap itself is a number plucked from thin air.

Why not cap it at £10, £20, £,50? Whats the evidence that capping it at £2 solves the problem of gambling addiction - thats like pubs saying you can only have 3 pints then you're not being served anymore - it is a figure based on nothing to try tackle the issue of excessive alcohol consumption.

I have a few mates who work in the betting industry and theirs many redundancies and shop closures on the way (near 50% of William Hill shops across the nation will be closing apparantely according to the news) - thats alot of people unable to pay their rent or feed their kids and forced on Universal Credit - how is that worthwhile because a small minority have gambling problems who will no doubt just move away from shops and onto gambling online/in casino's instead where there are no restrictions?

 

[hirons11]

bookies don't want you to win? hahahahaha

come on mate, of course they don't they wouldn't have a business if everyone won

Yeah probably a stupid comment in that context. Probably should just have reinforced the fact that you are basically giving them your hard earned money so set your limit on what you are prepared to lose (give them) and enjoy the odd success you have. Helps I'm a tight bar steward who doesn't have a predilection to compulsive behaviours.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Yeah probably a stupid comment in that context. Probably should just have reinforced the fact that you are basically giving them your hard earned money so set your limit on what you are prepared to lose (give them) and enjoy the odd success you have. Helps I'm a tight bar steward who doesn't have a predilection to compulsive behaviours.

If the house didn't win, there wouldn't be a house.

 

[hirons11]

If the house didn't win, there wouldn't be a house.

Agreed - you should watch the programme to see how much the "house" is worth though All money taken from in the main hard working lads and lasses.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Agreed - you should watch the programme to see how much the "house" is worth though All money taken from in the main hard working lads and lasses.

Gambling does nothing for me. It would be wasted on me.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

I'm not discussing this any further with you - it's like saying homless people should just buy a house. It's an illness.

It's not even close to the same. Homelessness is often a result of these addictions. Some people choose to be homeless. Most don't. For those that don't, in the vast majority of cases there's a pattern of substance abuse that precedes it. Excessive gambling, excessive drinking, excessive food consumption is destructive behaviour which can be overcome. It takes strength and discipline to avoid these addictions altogether and it takes a great deal of strength and discipline to pull yourself out of them too. To say that it's an illness or a disease that anyone is susceptible to at any time does a great disservice to those that do show that strength and discipline to overcome it. In the majority of cases it's absolutely caused by a lack of discipline and poor decisions. They do have a choice, as we all do. That's uncomfortable for many but it's something that needs to be confronted, otherwise the pattern of destructive behaviour becomes even harder to disrupt.

 

[charlie atkins]

people saying gambling should be banned, lets start with the national lottery

 

[ijjysmith]

I bet we don't!

Ha. Probably not no.