Soccer Sat Panel Opinion

[toffeetower]

I'm confused, are you saying his is playing central midfield or not?

At the back end of last season (after Arteta was injured) and at times this season in order to accomodate Fellaini in a more advanced midfield role Cahill has been asked to play as a conventional central midfielder and not in the attacking midfield/ second striker position I think his strengths are best suited to.

Fellaini is quite capable of playing in this orthodox central midfield role Moyes employs Cahill in, and would probably do a much better job, yet he insists on adopting Fellaini as the more advanced of the pair as an outlet closer to the lone striker.

This is Cahill's position and has been for seasons past. Now he is playing in a more conventional role it has stifled his strengths as he has to pay more attention to position and defensive duties which is stemming the strengths of his play.

Ideally i'd like to see Cahill behind the striker making late runs, winning flick ons etc rather than being a highly limited central midfielder who has no 'outstanding' attribute in this position. It's not as if he is a pass in him or can break the play up.

I think he's wasted in central midfield, and Fellaini would be much better there with Cahill advanced.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Think outside the box how? Those who get angry and feel the need to blame a different player after every defeat.

It should only be hard to understand that he isn't fit if you don't understand the seriousness of the injury. Rathbone and Moyes have said, it'll take the Yak a while to get back to where he was.

Yakubu is coming in a building his fitness, sometimes he's been poor and sometimes he's excellent. That's part of his rehabilitation, he obviously sees Yak (even half fit) as a far better option than Agard. And so do I.

As I said, there are players that you could point the finger at, those who have played week in week out and have not done it. Yakubu is not one of them though, he's been used sparingly and is battling his way back from a serious injury.

Really? You have that opinion? So we should be carrying a player who you think is not fit to play. You'll probably say we have no choice, but then we had a choice and we decided to bring in Jo.

I like Yak, I was the one who was supporting him when he first arrived, but I don't believe he is not match fit, at the moment he is struggling with form. How long do we give him to get match fit then? 4 months? A season?

I also don't believe in stroking the players when they are not performing. People are to blame, people do have bad runs, and some people are not playing to their true ability. Nothing wrong in saying so, anything else is just head in the sand mentality and just believing that it will be all ok, and it's just a blip - when clearly there is a massive mental problem at the club.

 

[chicoazul]

1 Ghost mate, txb is spot on about Yakubu, cut him some slack - it will be a while before he's back on form.

2 Cahill would get in those positions more if player in his normal role, this is what I was saying yesterday mate: your blame needs a little perspective
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[ToxtethBlue]

Really? You have that opinion? So we should be carrying a player who you think is not fit to play. You'll probably say we have no choice, but then we had a choice and we decided to bring in Jo.

I like Yak, I was the one who was supporting him when he first arrived, but I don't believe he is not match fit, at the moment he is struggling with form. How long do we give him to get match fit then? 4 months? A season?

I also don't believe in stroking the players when they are not performing. People are to blame, people do have bad runs, and some people are not playing to their true ability. Nothing wrong in saying so, anything else is just head in the sand mentality and just believing that it will be all ok, and it's just a blip - when clearly there is a massive mental problem at the club.

Of course, but then I've actually seen Kieran Agard play and he's far from special. I think Yakubu is still building up his fitness, even doing that and playing at the level he is, he's still a better option than Agard. As he proved against Manchester Utd, only a game ago. He has quality and he does things that that the majority of our players cannot do.

Who knows how long it'll take, but I'm a realist. He's coming back from one of the worst injuries in football and naturally, it will take time. You fail to mention that he's started around 7 games over 4 months, that is far from regular football. He's been used sparingly, players who are used sparingly, even if they haven't had a serious injury, aren't match fit. They need games to build momentum and sharpness.

As for the bit in bold, I have said that that you can look at players and have a go at them. Cahill is certainly one of them. So I don't get this 'head in the sand' [Poor language removed] you aim at people. All I'm saying is, Yakubu has had a serious injury and hasn't been a regular in the side. He's not someone who should be getting singled out.

Your problem is you don't look at the bigger picture...

 

[BlackToffee]

first things first, what was the prediction? You didn't say.

Moyes did say sometime ago that injuries like the jak could take up to 6 months healing, after being declared fit, that includes playing time. For Moyes now to criticise him is a bit rich.

That said, Yak made the difference in the Manure match, so I really don't know what to conclude

Cahill just seems off the pace. Where he would be slotting shots in, too many have simply not hit the target. Really don't know if people are saying "all he can do is score goals" Goals are important to any team, but if that's all he can give us what does it say about the team?

Anyway, all things being equal, and no rubbish ref, I feel that we have the edge. It'll still be draw though.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Of course, but then I've actually seen Kieran Agard play and he's far from special. I think Yakubu is still building up his fitness, even doing that and playing at the level he is, he's still a better option than Agard. As he proved against Manchester Utd, only a game ago. He has quality and he does things that that the majority of our players cannot do.

Who knows how long it'll take, but I'm a realist. He's coming back from one of the worst injuries in football and naturally, it will take time. You fail to mention that he's started around 7 games over 4 months, that is far from regular football. He's been used sparingly, players who are used sparingly, even if they haven't had a serious injury, aren't match fit. They need games to build momentum and sharpness.

As for the bit in bold, I have said that that you can look at players and have a go at them. Cahill is certainly one of them. So I don't get this 'head in the sand' [Poor language removed] you aim at people. All I'm saying is, Yakubu has had a serious injury and hasn't been a regular in the side. He's not someone who should be getting singled out.

Your problem is you don't look at the bigger picture...

I don't have a problem, and don't patronise me mate.

Your problem is that you don't think there is a problem and it's all rosy rosy in the garden.

and Chico mate, I have perspective - it's not wrong of me to expect the senior, experienced and supposed stars of the team to stand up and be counted, regardless of what the situation is.

But once again your all criticising me for echoing what Moyes is saying.

Try directing your criticism at him.

 

[BadWool76]

Please no one mention Jo who is WITHOUT DOUBT one of the luckiest people walking the face of the earth in that he has somehow managed to get himself in a postion that actually allows him to get selected for Everton ? How this happened is down to Allah . Praise the most high !

 

[Goat]

I must have missed Moyes saying that the Yak should be dropped for Agard and also the bit where he says Cahill is gash.

Link me.

 

[Goat]

Please no one mention Jo who is WITHOUT DOUBT one of the luckiest people walking the face of the earth in that he has somehow managed to get himself in a postion that actually allows him to get selected for Everton ? How this happened is down to Allah . Praise the most high !

ALLAH ACHBAR

I was thinking the other day, players like Jo and Lucas, both capped for Brazil, both 2 of the worst footballers walking this fine earth. I reckon the Brazilian FA must sell them Caps. Then take bank handers.

Just a thought folks, cos if Jo and Lucas can play for Brazil, so can me Nan.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

I must have missed Moyes saying that the Yak should be dropped for Agard and also the bit where he says Cahill is gash.

Link me.

He never said that, but he did imply that players need to run around more, which we know Yak doesn't do - but he used to back that up with goals, but he's not scoring. As Cahill isn't.

Look I'm not saying these players are god awful, but they are players who we should be expecting more from. Victim of their own success in a way, the bar was risen high and they are falling way short.

 

[Dylan]

Ghost, do a bit of research on an Achilles injury and then reformulate your opinion on the Yak's 'fitness'

 

[Goat]

Or they are just half fit in the case of Yakubu or being played out of postion, in the case of Cahill.

Could that not be the case my good friend?

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Ghost, do a bit of research on an Achilles injury and then reformulate your opinion on the Yak's 'fitness'

I don't need to mate. 12 hours of football is more than enough time to regain match fitness. If he's not fit to play in the toughest league in the world, then he should play in the reserves, because we can't afford to be carrying people.

Sure we are low on numbers, but if we are playing a man who isn't anywhere near match fitness then we may as well have 10 men out there.

 

[Goat]

Ok, mate when hes played 12 hours we will start to judge him, ok?

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Or they are just half fit in the case of Yakubu or being played out of postion, in the case of Cahill.

Could that not be the case my good friend?

Well not really. Cahill is still in a position where he can make runs from open play, and also cause problems from corners.

I know football and I know that if your able to play attacking mid, you can still do an effective job on the right side also. If Cahill can't then that just reinforces the effectiveness of a player who is by in large a one trick pony.