so what next?

[Goat]

Bills doing a great job.

Our debt has tripled since he took charge.
Every Summer we sell 1 of our star players.
We have ZERO cash to spend.
He used to sit in the boys pen.

 

[billycopper]

sorry but WHAT????
Kings dock, hmm that was down to BK , remember the FSF?
Kirkby, well what can i say about such a flawed plan,even i saw the problems with that.

the truth is DK was a desperate throw of the dice to get a payday for the board. it was a poor ground in a poor location, poor transport infrastructure. it was doomed from day one you can argue that their doing a good job, and while your at it, argue that we are actually league champions, or better yet world champions. this board are a disgrace to the club, they cannot even build a simple annexxe ffs.

your actually proof of how they have lowered standards and expectations among the supporters.

Ok, the thing with Kirkby was that someone else would pay the lion's share for us to have a new stadium. We don't have the money ourselves to do it. How can you possible construe that the board would profit from it?

My expectations are realistic. Yours are idealistic. We cannot compete with the very top clubs. Even if we found our own Abramovich, City would still outspend us.

 

[billycopper]

For me the really key positions are wide left and right, if we can get 10 goals and 10 assists from either position we will win a lot of games.

Now we would all like a striker, but for me its the two inside forwards left and right that we need to upgrade. Theres no point buying a forward with little support by the two widrawn inside forwards as has been the case with Pienaar, Coleman, Billy etc.

For our system to work we need 10 0 15 goals from a striker, 10 from wide right and left (inside forward), 10 from Cahill, and for Bainsey Arteta, Mofro to be chipping in.

Same. Hopefully Beckford and Saha will continue to hit double figures. In lieu of finding £25-£35m down the back of the sofa we need to make up the shortfall with goals from midfield and even defence. Baines and Cahill have done their bit. Coleman has also done very well. We need more from the likes of Arteta, Fellaini, Anichebe, Bily and Distin though.

 

[Goat]

Ok, the thing with Kirkby was that someone else would pay the lion's share for us to have a new stadium. We don't have the money ourselves to do it. How can you possible construe that the board would profit from it?

My expectations are realistic. Yours are idealistic. We cannot compete with the very top clubs. Even if we found our own Abramovich, City would still outspend us.

We dont need to outspend City.

We needed to spend SOMETHING, without selling, 2 years ago, there was our window, the squad missed a few quality players here and there and we would have won the League and pissed the CL.

But hey nevermind, life is all about taking your chances, we didnt, now we become Fulham, but without the rich owner, GREAT STUFF.

 

[Allezfan]

But hey nevermind, life is all about taking your chances, we didnt, now we become Fulham, but without the rich owner, GREAT STUFF.

That's not remotely fair.


Fulham win games in Europe.

 

[sirblue57]

Ok, the thing with Kirkby was that someone else would pay the lion's share for us to have a new stadium. We don't have the money ourselves to do it. How can you possible construe that the board would profit from it?

My expectations are realistic. Yours are idealistic. We cannot compete with the very top clubs. Even if we found our own Abramovich, City would still outspend us.

i doubt we would still have the same board. my guess is at least one or more of the board would have found a buyer for their shares, at a much higher price than they would get now. and my expectations are realistic, its this board holding us back. because they are simply useless.

 

[saplingg]

The £24m annual mortgage payments on the club’s £360m Emirates Stadium have become such a burden that Wenger admits he must now flog big-name players EVERY season.

He declared: “The strategy of the club is to sell every year and to buy less expensive players.”

And he has warned this official policy could continue for another 17 YEARS!

He added: “We manage at Arsenal to maintain all our football ambitions — national and European —while having to free up - for 17 more years - an annual surplus of £24m to pay for our stadium.

“The club’s strategy is to favour the policy of youngsters ahead of stars and to count on the collective quality of our game.”

But this shows that they were the most profitable club in England last season -

(Arsenal's 2010 annual report)

i could live with smaller transfer budgets IF.
we had a working plan to increase income, we dont.
we had a board who could actually complete a ground move, we dont
we had a board that could build a small annexxe without chaos, we dont
we had a board and chairman who can communicate honestly with supporters, we dont
we had a board who could offer a consistant transfer budget ,on time, each season, we dont.

i am not asking for an abramovich, just someone who can improve on what we have, that would not be difficult really.

Read more: http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=35504#ixzz1MbPzJAy5

Ok I agree with you on this point. If a new stadium would generate more revenue, and the increased revenue would pay off the cost in a reasonable time frame, then BK should be investing the money for the long term good of the club. I am not sure if Goodison attracts that big a home crowd though, isn't our number of sellout games pretty low this season? If we can't sellout Goodison, there's no way we'd be able to sell out a bigger stadium.

Aside from that the only way I see of increasing revenues is by finishing higher up the table or getting into Europe. Europe itself could be detrimental to our thin squad, but so long as Moyes spends wisely, I do believe we will be able to continue at this pace. Sad as it is, football is run by money, and we don't have the money to be a title-contending club. Call that unambitious if you must but under Moyes, and with 100% reinvestment from player sales, we could, in the long term, finish top half every season for the foreseeable future. And given the resources available to us from the operation of the club, that's really not bad for a club of our financial status.

The sad state of affairs is this - if a wealthy new chairman took over and fixed all those off-pitch problems you listed, we still wouldn't be finishing higher up the table, we still wouldn't have that much increased revenue, and unless he decides to throw cash at Moyes, we still wouldn't have a decent transfer budget.

 

[milks]

So what next?

7th place in the EPL. A healthy chunk of money from a good league position will go towards paying off some more of the club's debt. Add to that, hopefully we will be able to negotiate reasonable fees for Yobo and Yakubu to remove their full wage liabilty, and provide some capital for limited player investment over the summer. Hopefully some astute budget shopping from Moyes.

Then...what else will happen? Everyone will moan that the board are not investing in the playing squad, that the board are not able to magic land/finance out of thin air for a new stadium and everyone will continue to completely miss the point that 7th is a good position for Everton to finish an EPL season in. We're not able to financially compete with the salaries and transfer budgets awarded to the clubs who finished above us in the league. We're stable enough on the field to be sure that we can finish in mid table and avoid the horror or relegation (which would be financially devastating - just watch the turmoil unfold at West Ham and especially Birmingham if they go down).

Too many teams have stretched themselves to breaking point JUST to stay in the EPL, it would be catastrophic for Birmingham to get relegated. Everton on the other hand don't turn over a profit, but then don't spend money that they don't have. Their losses are comparably favourable to the majority of their peers.

The board. I've been away from here for a while, but my stance is still the same. They may be rich, they may be capable of dipping their hands in their pockets and making all of the pain disappear, but they are business people. Football is a terrible business. They've invested in their friend Kenwright to help him fill his dreams of running Everton. All they want (foolishly) is a return on this investment. A new stadium (Kirby) would have increased revenue, decreased running costs and enabled them to start on a new footing. It hasn't happened so they'll sit tight until someone repays their investment. This is where I worry.

We're not an attractive proposition for an investor. Second club in a city. No viable prospects for a new stadium, no real resale value for the existing holdings (Goodison). The only options open to us are an Evertonian sugar daddy (unlikely) or the kind of dubious overseas investor who could leave us like West Ham or Portsmouth.

So what next? I'm happy as we are. If we have to sell one £20m player a season to stay as we are, then that's fine by me. It proves that we're producing talent well. I'm content that we're not in the relegation dogfight and that we're not on the brink of administration.

 

[sirblue57]

DK was a disaster in waiting, HOW would it have raised revenues?
no non football events
council to get 100 days free use
a poor(at best) transport infrastructure
and all this in the unbelievable chance of it passing a public inquiry, because it broke so many local planning regulations.

the board have sat on their arse and done the bare minimum necessary, the list of failures is pathetic. the way they treat fans is appalling, is it to much to ask for a transfer budget sorted BEFORE the last minute of deadline day? im not expecting a Messi or Ronaldo to fly into sign, just a biudget early enough to make a difference, and of real cash, not mars bars and promises.

 

[sirblue57]

So what next?

7th place in the EPL. A healthy chunk of money from a good league position will go towards paying off some more of the club's debt. Add to that, hopefully we will be able to negotiate reasonable fees for Yobo and Yakubu to remove their full wage liabilty, and provide some capital for limited player investment over the summer. Hopefully some astute budget shopping from Moyes.

Then...what else will happen? Everyone will moan that the board are not investing in the playing squad, that the board are not able to magic land/finance out of thin air for a new stadium and everyone will continue to completely miss the point that 7th is a good position for Everton to finish an EPL season in. We're not able to financially compete with the salaries and transfer budgets awarded to the clubs who finished above us in the league. We're stable enough on the field to be sure that we can finish in mid table and avoid the horror or relegation (which would be financially devastating - just watch the turmoil unfold at West Ham and especially Birmingham if they go down).

Too many teams have stretched themselves to breaking point JUST to stay in the EPL, it would be catastrophic for Birmingham to get relegated. Everton on the other hand don't turn over a profit, but then don't spend money that they don't have. Their losses are comparably favourable to the majority of their peers.

The board. I've been away from here for a while, but my stance is still the same. They may be rich, they may be capable of dipping their hands in their pockets and making all of the pain disappear, but they are business people. Football is a terrible business. They've invested in their friend Kenwright to help him fill his dreams of running Everton. All they want (foolishly) is a return on this investment. A new stadium (Kirby) would have increased revenue, decreased running costs and enabled them to start on a new footing. It hasn't happened so they'll sit tight until someone repays their investment. This is where I worry.

We're not an attractive proposition for an investor. Second club in a city. No viable prospects for a new stadium, no real resale value for the existing holdings (Goodison). The only options open to us are an Evertonian sugar daddy (unlikely) or the kind of dubious overseas investor who could leave us like West Ham or Portsmouth.

So what next? I'm happy as we are. If we have to sell one £20m player a season to stay as we are, then that's fine by me. It proves that we're producing talent well. I'm content that we're not in the relegation dogfight and that we're not on the brink of administration.

man city?

 

[Allezfan]

I'm content that we're not in the relegation dogfight and that we're not on the brink of administration.

Feck me. I despair sometimes.

 

[Chang Elephant]

So what next?

Hopefully some astute budget shopping from Moyes.

Everyone will moan that the board are not investing in the playing squad.

We're not able to financially compete with the salaries and transfer budgets awarded to the clubs who finished above us in the league.

The board. They may be rich, but they are business people. All they want is a return on this investment. They'll sit tight until someone repays their investment.

I'm happy as we are.

Find another club to support you utter gonk.

 

[billycopper]

But this shows that they were the most profitable club in England last season -

(Arsenal's 2010 annual report)





Ok I agree with you on this point. If a new stadium would generate more revenue, and the increased revenue would pay off the cost in a reasonable time frame, then BK should be investing the money for the long term good of the club. I am not sure if Goodison attracts that big a home crowd though, isn't our number of sellout games pretty low this season? If we can't sellout Goodison, there's no way we'd be able to sell out a bigger stadium.

Aside from that the only way I see of increasing revenues is by finishing higher up the table or getting into Europe. Europe itself could be detrimental to our thin squad, but so long as Moyes spends wisely, I do believe we will be able to continue at this pace. Sad as it is, football is run by money, and we don't have the money to be a title-contending club. Call that unambitious if you must but under Moyes, and with 100% reinvestment from player sales, we could, in the long term, finish top half every season for the foreseeable future. And given the resources available to us from the operation of the club, that's really not bad for a club of our financial status.

The sad state of affairs is this - if a wealthy new chairman took over and fixed all those off-pitch problems you listed, we still wouldn't be finishing higher up the table, we still wouldn't have that much increased revenue, and unless he decides to throw cash at Moyes, we still wouldn't have a decent transfer budget.

I think Wenger is in a similar situation to Ferguson. Both could spend money if they really wanted to, but they choose to keep the pursestrings closed for the good of the club. Those comments were made by Arsene about a season or two ago, at a time when they were selling players like Toure and Adebayor. Perhaps they've performed better than expected since then and there has been less pressure to sell? Even so, Nasri will be in the last year of his contract next season, so they will have to sell him if they can't negotiate an extension. I think it's only a matter of time before Fabregas and Arshavin leave too.

Going back to us, I think our philosophy is similar to Arsenal's, but on a smaller scale. Whilst they're picking up players like Van Persie and Chamakh to develop and sell on, we're shopping in a pool of talent who are yet to gain any real league experience, such as Gueye, Vellios and Silva. I don't see anything wrong with that. We're not a global brand and we can't sell out a 70,000 seater stadium. We can sustain and develop the club by nurturing players though. It's what 90% of teams do. We just need to make sure that we're better at it than the rest.

 

[milks]

man city?

City of Manchester Stadium....

 

[milks]

Find another club to support you utter gonk.

Wonderfully constructive response there.