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Fixed that for you.#£80 Million Wilf
I am wondering how viable the Sky Sports model is in football anymore. I am expecting that the next time the TV rights are up, the likes of Amazon, Disney (VIA ESPN) and Netflix will be the service providers, not Sky and BT Sport. streaming services should be the way to go for Football Coverage, otherwise you end up with loads of dead air to fill with crummy programs and talking heads, that are a needless overhead. A few people have even mentioned the premier league doing their own streaming service and cutting out the middle men. Probably the best way to go, if they have the appetite for it
I think the PL doing it would be a poor move now. Essentially the value of the product is declining, and there are lots of much better placed partners who have that infastruture. In fairness to the PL, there are lots of problems with them, but how they work with broadcasting to grow the brand hasn't been one of them. Sky/PL have been one of the best and enduring partnerships in British business for some time.
Talksport were on about this earlier in the year, if the people who now subscribe to Sky and BT subscribed to an on demand service at £9 per month, the premier league would make more money than they do now and most fans would save money as the cost of Sky, BT and Amazon is much more than that. Below is a link with all the info.
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The Premier League reveal plans for a Netflix-style streaming service to revolutionise how English football is consumed
talkSPORT pundit Simon Jordan’s wish for the Premier League to become ‘the Netflix of Football’ is looking increasingly likely to becoming a reality. The league’s new CEO, R…talksport.com
Fixed that for you.
I heard it at the time, and it's one of those things that sounds brilliant but when you analyise it closely, it doesn't really make a whole heap of sense.
For a starting point, where is he getting the 100m subscribers from? The country we exist in has 55m. Is every single person going to subscribe? You look at Europe, and they have their own leagues, would they pay for a seperate service? The US? Again there are already lots of streaming services, DAZN tried something similar with boxing and is falling on it's backside. To get an additional 12$ a month will not be easy, on top of existing sports packages they are paying. You go outside of those areas, and you are really in very poor parts of the world, where £9quid a month represents a large chunk of income.
I mean most PL games probably have a viewership of about 1.5 million views. It had a peak for the derby game, on free television of 5.5m domestic views. I'm really not sure how you translate that, around 20 x (or 60 x the average) number of consumers.
Sky/Amazon/Netflix/BT/BBC etc are all very established names, with a wide range of programmes and products on top of the football that people like. You get cricket, boxing, documentaries, dramas, rugby, darts etc all on those platforms. The idea that the PL can find the infastructure and people to put something together in the way they do, is highly unlikely.
The value of football as a product is decreasing too. So it would be an inopportune moment to do this.
They get a great deal from broadcasters. They get an enormous amount of money, and have to take none of the risk- which is all with the broadcasters. Going to a move to compete with them to me, would be a very poor move. So yes, for me, when you scrutinise the numbers it's a big no.
The 100m subscriptions comes from global, not just the UK, there are 7.8 billion people in the world. For the 2018/19 season the premier league reported that Premier league matches were watched in 1.03 billion homes in 188 countries around the world on a mixture of pay TV and mobile decices. I get that not everyone will buy it, but I think enough will to match the idea of 100 million subscriptions, because people are paying it now. In countries like the US they already offer this via streaming service Peacock Premium.
I'm not saying this will happen. But I could understand it happening and I think it will be used as a threat when the next round of TV negotiations take place.
It's an interesting debate mate. However the 1bn acounts for lots of pubs etc that show games. Many of those people are also paying much much less than the price point of even £10 p/a.
The break even point is around 25m subscribers. In the UK, Sky has 9m, Amazon 8m, Netflix around 12.5. Subtract 10% for Scotland (as they won't get the same watches their or NI) and the higher end product there is Netflix with 11m ish. I'll be frank, the PL would do well to match Netflix who are a hugely succesful company.
Then you consider say North America, DAZN has done similar with boxing, at a similar price point. Boxing may well be bigger and have a more established and loyal following their, and they are under 1million subscribers. Even if they matched Netflix and DAZN, they are still well under the 50% mark to match what they currently get. In the middle of a severe recession.
When games have been shown on the BBC, it's peak audience seems to be 3-4m. The most watched game here was the derby at 5.5m. I don't see where all of these new subscribers come from. Especially if established broadcasters can't attract them, can the PL really get the people to put into place the infastructure etc to do it?
What would seem more likely to me, is the broadcasters would put their time, effort, energy, expertise, creative and marketing budgets etc into building up other sports to fill the void. They would be able to substantially lower the entry point for Sky and divert much of the spending currently given to football to other sports. Look maybe none of them catch fire, but it's another risk.
Jordan's whole premise seems to be people are sick of paying 60 quid a month for Sky/BT packages. Which again is fine, but thats 9m people. How many are frustrated? 10%? If so you have 1m subscribers. I'm struggling to see how this translates into tens of millions of new subscribers.
On your final point, I think there is some bluff definately going on, which underpins this. Such a threat would probably damage everyone. The PL do not know how to market and build products in the way broadcasters do and it would be the nuclear option. I suspect the PL know a reduction in packages is coming, and football is very reliant upon massively increasing TV deals. The issue is, eventually broadcasters can't pay more, as TV consumers won't. I think the answer is to look at the desire of football to need ever expanding wages/transfer fees.
I think the thing to think about this is that it is a global deal, not a UK one, companies like netflix have 73 million subscriber worldwide, Amazon Prime video is 150 million, Disney Plus is 50 million and is a relatively new product.
Also you are not saying to people "pay £9 per month on top of what you are already paying", it would be instead of however they get their Premier league matches now.
The premier league is already a huge product worldwide, im not saying they wouldn't have to advertise and have setup costs for infrastructure. But I actually think they would get 100 million people signed up globally no problem. I could even see them partnering with 1 company that has that experience, like Disney, that have Disney Plus, ESPN and Hulu and creating "PremierLeague" as an on demand service.
I dont think it would be possible for Sky and BT to throw a load of money at another sport and get people interested in it. BT Sport have tried that to some degree with Premiership Rugby and it has not really worked. Football has a global mass appeal that other sports just dont have. I think the only downside for this would be for Sky, Virgin Media and BT. They charge around £35 per month for the full sports package (though often offer introductory rates) Its not really a question of how many are frustrated paying it, more about how many people have their current sports subscription, just to watch the premier league. If it was no longer on Sky sports and BT how many would keep those channels to watch Rugby, Darts, Cricket and German football?
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