Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Stoke poll)

[bizzaro]

I don't want him to be sacked, I just want him to start wining games.
He will need better players at the back as our defending under pressure has been mostly poor.


Like John Stones. Need another pacier version for the future.

Agree.

We also need a pacey complete winger that doesn't try stupid things and give the ball away totally unnecessarily (mcgeady)


More pace and movement further up the pitch. Better passing and possession.

Less errors. More goals for us.

 

[toffee matt]

12/1 to be the next manager to go with some bookies

 

[catcherintherye]

Didnt last year, he had his best season in a long time.


This year hes pyar mince.

Again an excellent point. It’s hard to really understandable why and how it’s gone so wrong. For Liverpool they can point to losing their key player.

However I think sides have worked us out now and are exploiting our weaknesses in a manner they didn’t last season. I also think as with life generally, when something starts to go a bit wrong it doesn’t take long for it to go completely off key. It’s like a golf swing, if it starts to go badly you start to put changes in and before you know whats happened you are all over the shop.

Of course it’s feasibly possible for Distin to regain his form. Maybe he’s sulking or deliberately making mistakes. I don’t think that’s true though. I think he’s a top professional who is at the end of his career being asked to do things he is unable too and has lost all confidence.

This season now needs to be all about how we move forward. How can we learn from this experience to better position ourselves in future seasons to challenge. Unfortunately I don’t see Distin as being a part of that. I’m not saying he’s not been a top player, or that Martinez isn’t at least part responsible for his demise. We do have to ask ourselves though, going forward is a 37 year old Distin really going to be someone who fits into Martinez’s plans for the coming years.

 

[Del]

Rio Ferdinand was a trouble making no mark.

I suspect if there is any Distin is an instigator. Given the milkman episode the twitter comments and the staring at the stands looking for a fight

He would be gone if he says blip. If I were manager.

We should be looking to replace him anyway. He's error prone. The time has come.

Add him to Alcaraz and its obvious why our defence is making errors and we are conceeding

What about struggling to create chance, is that distin as well

Lol

 

[bizzaro]

What about struggling to create chance, is that distin as well

Lol

Why I've said we need a winger. Or can't you read?

 

[bizzaro]

Again an excellent point. It’s hard to really understandable why and how it’s gone so wrong. For Liverpool they can point to losing their key player.

However I think sides have worked us out now and are exploiting our weaknesses in a manner they didn’t last season. I also think as with life generally, when something starts to go a bit wrong it doesn’t take long for it to go completely off key. It’s like a golf swing, if it starts to go badly you start to put changes in and before you know whats happened you are all over the shop.

Of course it’s feasibly possible for Distin to regain his form. Maybe he’s sulking or deliberately making mistakes. I don’t think that’s true though. I think he’s a top professional who is at the end of his career being asked to do things he is unable too and has lost all confidence.

This season now needs to be all about how we move forward. How can we learn from this experience to better position ourselves in future seasons to challenge. Unfortunately I don’t see Distin as being a part of that. I’m not saying he’s not been a top player, or that Martinez isn’t at least part responsible for his demise. We do have to ask ourselves though, going forward is a 37 year old Distin really going to be someone who fits into Martinez’s plans for the coming years.

He's not that professional.

The insight we got from twitter plus in the newspapers show he's not necessarily as professional a character as we'd believe.

I'd thank him for his service to the club but would not shed a tear for making a long term replacement centre back signing for a 37 year old who is costing us games by giving too much space and or making silly decisions

 

[catcherintherye]

Nonsense. Distin is still the hoofer. Its the errors off the ball Distin makes. He gives people too much space.


Martinez's tactics of possession football in general are not at fault. The opposition can't score if they don't have the ball.

Its the choice of formation and lack of balance width and movement that are the weaknesses and a defence that includes an error prone defender who is giving players too much space.



A centre back and a winger will help. A subtle change in formation. Play Barkley in CM when he plays. With pace on the wings and movement will change things in our favour.

Stop this giving the ball away lark (Mccgeady)

I think you are right.

Personally I would go back to basics if I was Martinez. He obviously wants to play with wider expansive full backs and central midfielders who fill gaps in defence.

I would prefer us to push Baines-Coleman into midfield. Garbutt on one side with Browning/Hibbert on the other should allow for our back 4 to play closer together and be more robust. I also think it would be harder for teams to stifle Baines/Coleman if they had more of a license to attack.

I also think this was you can get Barkley playing in a deeper midfield role, without as much responsibility to have to fill in gaps. Probably alongside McCarthy on current form.

Then it's any two of Naismith/Lukaku/Eto/Kone/Mirallas up front.

That's what I would change it too. A more simple game plan with defenders picked to defend and midfield players (central) who have an emphasis on being creative as well as just filling in holes left by the defenders. Sides have worked Baines and Coleman out as fullbacks but it will be harder to do this if you give them more attacking license.

 

[nsno-chris]

Agree.

We also need a pacey complete winger that doesn't try stupid things and give the ball away totally unnecessarily (mcgeady)


More pace and movement further up the pitch. Better passing and possession.

Less errors. More goals for us.

Wow, this managing thing sounds easy.

 

[bizzaro]

I think you are right.

Personally I would go back to basics if I was Martinez. He obviously wants to play with wider expansive full backs and central midfielders who fill gaps in defence.

I would prefer us to push Baines-Coleman into midfield. Garbutt on one side with Browning/Hibbert on the other should allow for our back 4 to play closer together and be more robust. I also think it would be harder for teams to stifle Baines/Coleman if they had more of a license to attack.

I also think this was you can get Barkley playing in a deeper midfield role, without as much responsibility to have to fill in gaps. Probably alongside McCarthy on current form.

Then it's any two of Naismith/Lukaku/Eto/Kone/Mirallas up front.

That's what I would change it too. A more simple game plan with defenders picked to defend and midfield players (central) who have an emphasis on being creative as well as just filling in holes left by the defenders. Sides have worked Baines and Coleman out as fullbacks but it will be harder to do this if you give them more attacking license.

Barkley needs to play from deep. His game is based on getting the ball from deep and running with it. The opposition hate that.

I agree on the wing backs if thats the way you want to go.

But my winger thing is a viable plan A or plan B.


We need more movement and quality on both flanks. With pace.

A lot of people criticise for lack of plan B. If the opposition start pressing Baines/Coleman you need to counter this with a pacey winger on each flank to drag players all over and a slight formation change

This then keeps Coleman/Baines in the game and gives them the opportunity for overlaps and takes the pressure off them



At the moment Mirallas is injured and Mcgeady is making stupid errors and isn't focusing properly. Pienaar lacks form.

We are short on the flanks. Like Delafeou

 

[Del]

Why I've said we need a winger. Or can't you read?

So all the defensive errors are down to one man and all the lack of creative flair is down to having no right winger

Just lol

 

[bizzaro]

So all the defensive errors are down to one man and all the lack of creative flair is down to having no right winger

Just lol

Its a better analysis than your nonsense. 'Sack the manager' etc etc etc

Plus I know football unlike you.

 

[Del]

Its a better analysis than your nonsense. 'Sack the manager' etc etc etc

Plus I know football unlike you.

All our form down to one man and a missing winger

Sound like a kopite you lad

 

[bizzaro]

Wow, this managing thing sounds easy.

Managing is easy.

Its unfortunate for Martinez Atsu and Mcgeady haven't really performed

And Distin is error prone.


Martinez should be given the opportunity to address the wing/centre back in January.

 

[orly]

12/1 to be the next manager to go with some bookies

would be vastly shorter but for Irvine / Pardew

If Irvine goes, worth a quick 20 methinks

 

[bizzaro]

All our form down to one man and a missing winger

Sound like a kopite you lad

I'm not the one calling for the managers head. I'm suggesting we replace a error prone defender and sign a winger.