Short memories... Fellaini needs to be in the middle of the park.

[Essex Blue]

Who's kidding themselves? I've never made such a claim in my life!

Also, if Coleman is ok, what's Phil Neville? Terrible, Awful, wasteful? Or Hibbert?

We are discussing Coleman not Mirallas but to actually imply it has nothing to do with the debate is a interesting way to look at it. (I'm being polite there)

You're being ridiculously over critical of his defensive game and outright idiotic saying he has is only OK going forward.

I take it you are wanting me to compare Neville and Hibbert to Coleman from an attacking perspective? Both of them are quite limited, and neither of them should be used as a yardstick when evaluating Coleman's attacking ability. But as full-backs are required to defend as well as attack, both Neville and Hibbert are far superior to Coleman.

I think this is part of the reason some people think Coleman is some kind of dangerous attacking right back, is it just because you are used to the attacking play of Neville and Hibbert? As stated, I don't think there will be too many premier league defences losing too much sleep about the prospect of facing Seamus Coleman.

Less of the name calling please mate.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

So Coleman can be compared to Hibbert or Neville defensively but they shouldn't be used as a yardstick when evaluating attacking?
Do you actually understand how laughable this makes your opinion? Seriously, do you get how this looks?

I didn't call you a name, I stated I'm my opinion it would be outright idiotic to be of the opinion he is only ok, compared to Hibbert and Neville. Yes, I know I can only compare them in a way that validates your opinion, just like how you left out the Swansea game by trying to point out Coleman has never had a good game at fullback.

Whatever suits your laughable agenda mate.

 

[njligernj]

I think saying keep Fellaini up top but bring Hibbert back at RB undermines just how important it is to have solid attacking options on both flanks in this day and age. The right hand side has always been a lot weaker than our left on the attack, i'd hate to see Coleman benched just so we could keep Felli at CAM tbh.

I think people are forgetting how good Gibson is in that DM role too. This would be a different discussion if Gibson had played every game this season and we still had a poor defensive record. Give Gibbo a chance to get back in and sort things out and then we can consider Fellaini if his return (not to mention Mirallas back too) doesn't sort things out.

Just to clarify I did say Coleman would play some games -- roughly speaking Coleman v. lower half of table and Hibbo v. upper half (although it wouldn't be a perfect split you'd match up based on strengths/weaknesses of other teams). Coleman's advantage over Hibbo is his potential; in terms of ability to help win matches now I'd rate them relatively equal. Coleman creates more but concedes more; Hibbo the opposite. So match them up accordingly -- it's 1-0 when Hibbo plays and 3-2 when Coleman plays.

An extremely cynical person might also say if we leave him up top and Fellaini got 20 goals maybe we get 30m+ for him. Hell 40m ... there is almost nobody in world football with his skillset and range of potential positions who scores 20 goals. I want to keep our best players however so I'm happy as long as we win, make the CL and he decides to stay (not asking much right?).

 

[Essex Blue]

So Coleman can be compared to Hibbert or Neville defensively but they shouldn't be used as a yardstick when evaluating attacking?
Do you actually understand how laughable this makes your opinion? Seriously, do you get how this looks?

I didn't call you a name, I stated I'm my opinion it would be outright idiotic to be of the opinion he is only ok, compared to Hibbert and Neville. Yes, I know I can only compare them in a way that validates your opinion, just like how you left out the Swansea game by trying to point out Coleman has never had a good game at fullback.

Whatever suits your laughable agenda mate.

My opinions on Coleman haven't solely been based on a comparison to Neville or Hibbert.

I think Coleman is crap at defending, not crap when compared to Neville or Hibbert, but crap full stop. The same goes for his attacking play, it's OK but nothing to write home about. Not 'OK' when compared to Neville or Hibbert, but OK full stop. It certainly isn't sufficient enough for us to ignore his very apparent defensive deficiencies. Which is why, when it comes to team selection, Coleman shouldn't be first choice, and I don't think Moyes considers him to be first choice either.

You're calling people idiotic and talking unfunny nonsense about brain injuries, so I'm afraid that the only laughable individual on here is you.

 

[bignev23]

I think the main point that some are missing here is just how often Fellaini won the ball back in midfield last year, meaning opposition attacks were stopped before they had a chance to develop and that our defence didn't look quite as exposed as they do now. I remember seeing a stat in the summer that he lead all PL players in winning the ball last year with almost 160 succesfull tackles, while his nearest competitor was Song of Arsenal with 128 i think. That's a big part of his game that flies under the radar and something we really miss when he plays upfront, and dare i say it could also be a big reason for our defensive vulnerabilities this term

I think the main point some are missing is its a team game and you can present any stats you want but were doing better with him playing where he is now than when he was playing a deeper role. Its not rocket science.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

My opinions on Coleman haven't solely been based on a comparison to Neville or Hibbert.

I think Coleman is crap at defending, not crap when compared to Neville or Hibbert, but crap full stop. The same goes for his attacking play, it's OK but nothing to write home about. Not 'OK' when compared to Neville or Hibbert, but OK full stop. It certainly isn't sufficient enough for us to ignore his very apparent defensive deficiencies. Which is why, when it comes to team selection, Coleman shouldn't be first choice, and I don't think Moyes considers him to be first choice either.

You're calling people idiotic and talking unfunny nonsense about brain injuries, so I'm afraid that the only laughable individual on here is you.

Wow, you're a happy go lucky scamp aren't you? It's like talking to a tax advisor. I'm sorry about my unfunny nonsense and I am a laughable individual, in fact thanks for pointing that out. I know about Coleman more than anyone, I spent the last two weeks in his house pretending to be a potplant after a brief stint as a floor lamp so yes, I think you're a bit silly. I don't really care either way I just think, like most others on here that his defensive qualities will improve but he's a great option as an attacking player. I think to say he's only ok is very short sighted as he clearly starts attacks and runs at people creating space inside for an attacking player, something we've lacked on the right but works so well with Baines.

I found your opinion idiotic as you refuse to believe he could improve and completely ignore that clear fact he gives a good dimension, especially against Swansea, a game which to you didn't happy.

You say Coleman is awful and basically a lost cause defensively, do you remember the FA Cup final against Chelsea? Tell me again how Hibbert is our best defensive right back.

 

[Essex Blue]

Wow, you're a happy go lucky scamp aren't you? It's like talking to a tax advisor. I'm sorry about my unfunny nonsense and I am a laughable individual, in fact thanks for pointing that out. I know about Coleman more than anyone, I spent the last two weeks in his house pretending to be a potplant after a brief stint as a floor lamp so yes, I think you're a bit silly. I don't really care either way I just think, like most others on here that his defensive qualities will improve but he's a great option as an attacking player. I think to say he's only ok is very short sighted as he clearly starts attacks and runs at people creating space inside for an attacking player, something we've lacked on the right but works so well with Baines.

I found your opinion idiotic as you refuse to believe he could improve and completely ignore that clear fact he gives a good dimension, especially against Swansea, a game which to you didn't happy.

You say Coleman is awful and basically a lost cause defensively, do you remember the FA Cup final against Chelsea? Tell me again how Hibbert is our best defensive right back.

OK mate.

 

[Cotto]

Hibberts our best right back. Enough said.

Coleman done "ok" when hibbert was out until his lapse in concentration and diving in steps in again and again. Hes a liability and will never be fully trustworthy. Hes irratic by nature.

Fellaini playing upfront is effecting Jelavic dont care what anyone says. There no point even repeating why. Move him into the middle with gibson and put Naismith behind Jelavic. Instant success.

Its not as if Fellaini will see his backside because hes always said his prefered role is deeper.

At the end of the day somethings not right - we cant get a win.

Naismith is not a wide player!

 

[Cotto]

Wow, you're a happy go lucky scamp aren't you? It's like talking to a tax advisor. I'm sorry about my unfunny nonsense and I am a laughable individual, in fact thanks for pointing that out. I know about Coleman more than anyone, I spent the last two weeks in his house pretending to be a potplant after a brief stint as a floor lamp so yes, I think you're a bit silly. I don't really care either way I just think, like most others on here that his defensive qualities will improve but he's a great option as an attacking player. I think to say he's only ok is very short sighted as he clearly starts attacks and runs at people creating space inside for an attacking player, something we've lacked on the right but works so well with Baines.

I found your opinion idiotic as you refuse to believe he could improve and completely ignore that clear fact he gives a good dimension, especially against Swansea, a game which to you didn't happy.

You say Coleman is awful and basically a lost cause defensively, do you remember the FA Cup final against Chelsea? Tell me again how Hibbert is our best defensive right back.

You are deluded scamp!

 

[BlueToffee95]

Hibbbbbbbboooooo!

 

[Bigmaclad]

Stick him goals lads he's big so will be boss

 

[ijjysmith]

Hibberts our best right back.

No he isn't.

 

[Cotto]

No he isn't.

Who is then smithy lad

 

[Blue Truth]

We are discussing Coleman, not Mirralas.

I think Coleman is OK from an attacking perspective, but he is nothing to write home about, and his supposed attacking prowess in no way makes up for him being an absolute liability in defence.

You can carry on kidding yourself into thinking he is one of the best right-sided full backs in the premier league if it makes you feel better though.

baines is pretty average defensively

 

[MartSlinger]

baines is pretty average defensively

Biggest myth in football. He really isnt 'average' defensively.