2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Drico]

Because it's going in circles saying how much we hate them and it's pointless, just read it if there's anything new, there isn't, I continue existing.

For what it's worth I was in the Kenwright thread whenever it was bumped last season hoping/expecting/asking if he had resigned or died.

And you're fixed on the BiG PiCtUrE and can't see that the smaller picture is crayons and feces in equal measure on the wall as well, using the same logic.

Dyche isn't without criticism because the board is crap. If I come to work and do my job horrendously no one's gonna say "ah yeah but that CEO of the company though, he's at fault", they'll blame me.

With a quicker substitution here, Lewis Dobbin scoring (for example) there, winning A GAME OF FOOTBALL - at least we won't be getting relegated.

Going round in circles is blaming manager after manager while the two charlatans at the top remain in situ forever. Until they are gone, everything else in here is bloviated foot-stomping that does their bidding. No manager is beyond criticism, but when their efforts, good, bad, or indifferent, are mere drops in the ocean of the real problem, yes, it's all piss and wind.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Going round in circles is blaming manager after manager while the two charlatans at the top remain in situ forever. Until they are gone, everything else in here is bloviated foot-stomping that does their bidding. No manager is beyond criticism, but when their efforts, good, bad, or indifferent, are mere drops in the ocean of the real problem, yes, it's all piss and wind.

So you're okay with getting relegated and just letting Dyche never get criticised because we have a crap board?

That makes sense, yes.

 

[Drico]

So you're okay with getting relegated and just letting Dyche never get criticised because we have a crap board?

We needed real change at the top this summer. Instead, we got a shuffling of the deckchairs and an interim chairman for life. That was the moment I accepted that the club was not serious about survival. Everything else follows from that. Criticise the manager away. But it's piss and wind.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We needed real change at the top this summer. Instead, we got a shuffling of the deckchairs and an interim chairman for life. That was the moment I accepted that the club was not serious about survival. Everything else follows from that. Criticise the manager away. But it's piss and wind.

I'd say it's sadly equally as piss and wind as criticising the board to be honest mate.

At least with Dyche he actually gets to hear/listen to/see most of this at the game, as he kinda has to go lol

 

[Milk]

Needs to be far more flexible with his subs

And needs some better tools

I also think that you have to read between the lines with his public utterances. He’s not one for throwing players under the bus like some managers do

 

[Deleted member 50501]

Because it's going in circles saying how much we hate them and it's pointless, just read it if there's anything new, there isn't, I continue existing.

For what it's worth I was in the Kenwright thread whenever it was bumped last season hoping/expecting/asking if he had resigned or died.

And you're fixed on the BiG PiCtUrE and can't see that the smaller picture is crayons and feces in equal measure on the wall as well, using the same logic.

Dyche isn't without criticism because the board is crap. If I come to work and do my job horrendously no one's gonna say "ah yeah but that CEO of the company though, he's at fault", they'll blame me.

With a quicker substitution here, Lewis Dobbin scoring (for example) there, winning A GAME OF FOOTBALL - at least we won't be getting relegated.

You think he's doing a horrendous job???

 

[DualityNSNO]

You think he's doing a horrendous job???

You didn't read the whole conversation and instead just jumped on an analogy, nice one mate.

 

[Deleted member 50501]

Needs to be far more flexible with his subs

And needs some better tools

I also think that you have to read between the lines with his public utterances. He’s not one for throwing players under the bus like some managers do

He subbed Danjuma on and we switched off and conceded.

 

[DualityNSNO]

He subbed Danjuma on and we switched off and conceded.

One doesn't lead to the other though?

And it's also the wrong player and too late.

 

[Yorkiebars89]

He subbed Danjuma on and we switched off and conceded.

I felt the subs should of been 10-15 minutes earlier as I think dobbin and danjuma both looked sharp when they come on and we would of definitely scored. Fulham were woeful we just allowed them too much time on the ball

 

[Drico]

I'd say it's sadly equally as piss and wind as criticising the board to be honest mate.

At least with Dyche he actually gets to hear/listen to/see most of this at the game, as he kinda has to go lol

Well, it's also a matter of self-preservation. If you know where the real problem lies - and we do - then it's far better for one's mental health to accept the problem cannot be fixed for as long as the cause remains untreated, rather than picking around the edges of a symptom. After the last two seasons, only a proper masochist would put themselves through another emotional ordeal this season if the cause was not addressed. After the utter contempt shown by Moshiri and Kenwright this summer, we know nothing has changed. We needed change. We got more of the same. We're circling the drain.

So, it's not a matter of merely criticising the board. It's a matter of accepting that until there is fundamental change at the very top, nothing fundamental can change elsewhere. I'm completely resigned now to another relegation battle. The problem last year and the year before is still the problem. Nothing has changed. We are depending on the three relegated clubs being worse than we are. Good times.

 

[DualityNSNO]

He subbed Danjuma on and we switched off and conceded.

Oh also Silva subbed an ineffective Willian for Reid, who scored, so I dunno, "subs don't change games" seems even more daft.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Well, it's also a matter of self-preservation. If you know where the real problem lies - and we do - then it's far better for one's mental health to accept the problem cannot be fixed for as long as the cause remains untreated, rather than picking around the edges of a symptom. After the last two seasons, only a proper masochist would put themselves through another emotional ordeal this season if the cause was not addressed. After the utter contempt shown by Moshiri and Kenwright this summer, we know nothing has changed. We needed change. We got more of the same. We're circling the drain.

So, it's not a matter of merely criticising the board. It's a matter of accepting that until there is fundamental change at the very top, nothing fundamental can change elsewhere. I'm completely resigned now to another relegation battle. The problem last year and the year before is still the problem. Nothing has changed. We are depending on the three relegated clubs being worse than we are. Good times.

Defeatist for no reason - in a game of fine margins the one who's in charge of the pitch-side of things doesn't see any of them and doesn't think there's problems, we drop points.

Say he took Maupay off earlier for either Danjuma (weird sub imho but ok) or any of the youngsters and the game ends 0:0 or we actually go on and win - 1 point and a decent start, or 3 points and a great start. Promising.

Instead, persist with Maupay for ages (because apparently we can't start young players as that's what random GOTers tell me), play with no striker effectively for 70 min (with the added bonus that we're definitely just hoofing it forward to no one if it wasn't Maupay, as we only play on the ground with him and Gray and everyone else just gets the hoof treatment because they're tall, which is another Dycheism), lose the game to a soft chance because they actually subbed on a forward who hit the target; 0 points, crap start.

Stack those up and we're back hovering around relegation come April/May again.

I'm not asking for him to be some kind of god manager, just... to use his brain a bit, you know?

As a side note - many sides have even won things with crap owners doing whatever they want or siphoning the club, or have done better (or average) because the team's manager(s) were decent. We're not the first and won't be the last and to hide and deny Dyche's ineptitude behind the ineptitude of the owners is silly.

 

[Zeke]

Dyche gambled yesterday not starting DLC or even having him as an option off the bench….that gamble ultimately failed!

We can’t afford to throw winnable games away at home….and Fulham yesterday was a very winnable game!

The clubs hierarchy are a shambles and should have given Dyche more options but they haven’t…

However…..this isn’t Dyche’s first dance/rodeo…we can’t afford to keep chucking points away…especially on poor finishing…all next week get the muppets we have got doing endless finishing drills…cause yesterday…. was an out and out disgrace with regards to composure and doing the basics in the final third!!

 

[Drico]

Defeatist for no reason - in a game of fine margins the one who's in charge of the pitch-side of things doesn't see any of them and doesn't think there's problems, we drop points.

Say he took Maupay off earlier for either Danjuma (weird sub imho but ok) or any of the youngsters and the game ends 0:0 or we actually go on and win - 1 point and a decent start, or 3 points and a great start. Promising.

Instead, persist with Maupay for ages (because apparently we can't start young players as that's what random GOTers tell me), play with no striker effectively for 70 min (with the added bonus that we're definitely just hoofing it forward to no one if it wasn't Maupay, as we only play on the ground with him and Gray and everyone else just gets the hoof treatment because they're tall, which is another Dycheism), lose the game to a soft chance because they actually subbed on a forward who hit the target; 0 points, crap start.

Stack those up and we're back hovering around relegation come April/May again.

I'm not asking for him to be some kind of god manager, just... to use his brain a bit, you know?

As a side note - many sides have even won things with crap owners doing whatever they want or siphoning the club, or have done better (or average) because the team's manager(s) were decent. We're not the first and won't be the last and to hide and deny Dyche's ineptitude behind the ineptitude of the owners is silly.

This is where I put my mental health first. lol

I understand the appeal of lashing out at managers and players - whoever they are - but I told myself I wouldn't be putting myself through the psychological nonsense of what we all experienced last March and April again. We demanded change. We got contempt.

When we had the great Carlo Ancelotti in charge, we still had people calling for his head. The problem is at the top and it remains untreated. As long as it does, we will continue to go round in circles. Yes, we can look for marginal gains here and there with earlier subs and better tactics, but the fundamentals will not change: Everton will still be fighting the drop. That we are is down, purely, to the ownership.