2022/23 Sean Dyche

[ToffeeTim]

He got 93 points both times Burnley were promoted you complete tosspot.

The game has completely changed in the last 8 to 10 years. His style is massively outdated for the methods that have worked recently in that league.

I dont see teams playing park the bus, hoof to the channels football, chasing the promotion places. Relegation means starting again with a style of playing and an identity that we build over time. Not more of the same.

 

[roy vernon]

My worry with Dyche is that he has a blind spot where certain players are concerned, Godfrey and Keane for example and also his in game management is almost non existent. In our last 2 games he has played a centre back at right back, on both occasions they have been absolutely slaughtered. Against Palace he left Holgate on while he was being crucified by Ayew of all people. Everyone in the stadium, with the exception of Dyche, could see the second yellow card coming, he had Patterson on the bench, but, chose not to use him and surprise surprise Holgate got sent off.


Against Newcastle he chose, once again, to go with a centre back as a right back, this time the horribly out of form Godfrey. End result of this Newcastle run everything down our right flank and Godfrey gets torn a new one, once again he has a right back on the bench and chooses not to use him. Now I'm not saying Patterson is a good right back, but he is at least a right back, not a central defender.

On to Keane, it's at least an error a game in a dangerous place from him, but,Dyche continues to pick him ahead of Mina and Coady. I appreciate that it is unlikely that either of those two will be here next season, but, in our position it is all about the here and now. Playing Godfrey, Holgate and Keane will eventually relegate us and cost him his job.

 

[Brennan]

The game has completely changed in the last 8 to 10 years. His style is massively outdated for the methods that have worked recently in that league.

I dont see teams playing park the bus, hoof to the channels football, chasing the promotion places. Relegation means starting again with a style of playing and an identity that we build over time. Not more of the same.

Burnley in the Championship didn’t park the bus when they were promoted.

They scored 73 goals each season. Watford got promoted last scoring 63 goals. Luton are currently 3rd in the table having scored 53 goals.

The Championship has not radically changed from 2016 to now.

 

[sd_1992]

Dyche has 13 points from 13 games.

Lampard had 15 points from 20 games when he was sacked.

I don’t see you being correct.

Aye, I wanted Lampard sacked from Bournemouth/before world cup break. I think that opinion is still the correct one.

Which is pretty funny given that 'sacking Lampard after Bournmouth' would have meant sacking him with 14 points from 14 games, the exact PPG record that Dyche now holds. So where are the calls for Dyche to be sacked?

And for what its worth the correct call was to back the manager with signings instead of calling for his head. Instead we sacked the manager and collapsed the only incoming we had. When Dyche ends the season with a similar/worse PPG then i would be interested to see if you still think that was worth it.

 

[Brennan]

Which is pretty funny given that 'sacking Lampard after Bournmouth' would have meant sacking him with 14 points from 14 games, the exact PPG record that Dyche now holds. So where are the calls for Dyche to be sacked?

And for what its worth the correct call was to back the manager with signings instead of calling for his head. Instead we sacked the manager and collapsed the only incoming we had. When Dyche ends the season with a similar/worse PPG then i would be interested to see if you still think that was worth it.

Hold on. Before you change the argument how about responding to the point made.

Do you think Dyche will end up with a worse record after the season has finished, given we’d have to get 0 points from the next 5 games ?

In response to the bold. Compare the fixtures. Never mind the fact that he had Gordon still, and had an entire summer to impart his vision on the players rather than joining in January with us second from bottom.

 

[Joey66]

Dyche had an incentive Bonus of £2.5 million to keep us up - OK, dealt a bad hand - his team selections & substitutions lately have been mind boggling - Maupay is an example - we seldom look like we are going to score never mind win a game - It's not over as yet, but if we go down I wonder if he is capable of rebuilding a good youthful team to fetch us back up ?

 

[Brennan]

In his 14 games Lampards hardest matches were:

Chelsea (H)
Liverpool (H)
United (H)
Spurs (A)
City (A)

In 13 games Dyche has had:

Liverpool (A)
Arsenal (A)
Arsenal (H)
Chelsea (A)
United (A)
Spurs (H)
Newcastle (H)

What a daft comparison to make.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Which is pretty funny given that 'sacking Lampard after Bournmouth' would have meant sacking him with 14 points from 14 games, the exact PPG record that Dyche now holds. So where are the calls for Dyche to be sacked?

And for what its worth the correct call was to back the manager with signings instead of calling for his head. Instead we sacked the manager and collapsed the only incoming we had. When Dyche ends the season with a similar/worse PPG then i would be interested to see if you still think that was worth it.

I'd rather have Dyche managing us next season than Lampard, no question.

My view when Lampard was in position was as below. Note the bold.


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19 games in, and despite how grim we've been - there's only 2 points between 20th and 14th.

Talk of certain/inevitable relegation at this stage feels premature, but I thought I'd share a nice thread to cheer everyone on why I think we'll be relegated this season.

• Everton survive 2021/22 by the skin of our teeth.
• Everton end last season 19/20 for big chances created, 20/20 for chances created. [May] [June] [July] [August]
• Everton have a Director of Football and a Manager who have no credentials of navigating transfer markets. [June]
• Everton sell their 'talisman' in Richarlison - a player responsible for scoring/providing over a third of our goals [September].
• Everton perhaps aren't 'replacing' Richarlison, but Everton desperately needed to mitigate that loss. Everton try it through signing Dwight '1 assist 0 goal in previous season' McNeil, and Neal Maupay - the least 'number 9' in this Everton team you'll ever find. [September] [September]
• Everton start 2022/23 with a team less effective than they did 2021/22. [September]
• Everton play the first 6 (I think 6 could be wrong?) games without a recognised striker. Everton stay up by the skin of their teeth, months later they start a season vs Chelsea with Anthony Gordon upfront ducking out of aerial challenges with Koulibaly an Silva.
• Any manager has this Everton team in a relegation scrap. It's relegation fodder [July]. Frank Lampard has no credentials at all to suggest he's at least reducing the odds of relegation. Other managers have staved off relegation with teams worse than ours.
• Everton unnecessarily delay the sacking of Frank Lampard. I mean, c'mon, this was weeks ago;

• Everton's board in self preservation mode/horrendous communication strategy/board creating civil war with their own fans.

I provided links as hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's so bloody obvious and all those reasons are why I think we're going down.

As it is right now - I don't think there's 3 worse teams than us. I don't think there's 1 - Bournemouth battered us, and Southampton just beat us and making positive moves.

It's not a blip, this is the points per game for calendar year 2022.

Nothing has changed.

Sure, the margins are tight at the bottom, and it wouldn't take much to change things but we haven't. We're comfortably bottom three, and other teams are fighting, we're meekly hoping with a board in self preservation mode.

I think Everton appointing Sean Dyche after Bournemouth spank us 7-1 over 2 games, or even after Wolves on boxing day, along with a few signings early January - Chris Wood/Danny Ings... even Arnautović type, most likely keep this side up. That's the margins. The base of the team is decent enough to keep us up, we just needed nous, pragmatism, a sprinkle of belief (all coming in the form of a new manager) and crucially, some attacking ability. Everton neglected the chance.

^ All that is when Lampard was still in a job.

 

[Nymzee]

When Burnley got promoted in 13/14:

Ben Mee - 23 - 38 appearances
Kieran Trippier - 22 - 41 appearances
Sam Voles - 23 - 39 appearances
Danny Ings - 20 - 40 appearances
Junior Stanislas - 23 - 7 appearances

Not as if he never uses younger players.

And of course Burnley never had the kind of youth setup which Everton have.

Not quite the age of academy lads most of them though are they

 

[Brennan]

Not quite the age of academy lads most of them though are they

I’m not sure what players Dyche could have chosen in that time who were younger that have gone on to have good careers in the Championship or Premier League.

The assertion was that Dyche wouldn’t play young promising players. I’m not sure there is evidence to show that. Can only play what you have available at the end of the day.

 

[Paul Rideout]

Not quite the age of academy lads most of them though are they

Neither is Simms, Cannon, Branthwaite, Mills, Patterson and a few others after you add a year on to their age for next season.

 

[Nymzee]

Neither is Simms, Cannon, Branthwaite, Mills, Patterson and a few others after you add a year on to their age for next season.

But he's only used one of those players (two can't of course) so not quite sure on your point?

 

[Bob Elstone]

Lampard is a charlatan of a manager

 

[DavidH]

Give him a chance you hysterical quilts. He's inherited not just a broken side but a broken club. I've seen improvements since he came in despite the results.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Give him a chance you hysterical quilts. He's inherited not just a broken side but a broken club. I've seen improvements since he came in despite the results.

such as ?