2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Tony’s Carp]

We can't play front foot high energy football, every time we try it we get thrashed, and this has been the case for the last 5 years at least.

Exactly. I must not have noticed all the exciting football we were playing under Frank.

Bottom line I’d rather watch a suitable tactic executed well than a more “exciting” tactic executed badly.

 

[Kirkles]

We can't play front foot high energy football, every time we try it we get thrashed, and this has been the case for the last 5 years at least.

Yet some fans seem to think we will suddenly be able to

 

[Tramps_mate]

Spent the best part of yesterday watching old clips of his Burnley team and came up with a thorough, in depth tactical analysis of what we can expect under Dyche.



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Hey, if the ball ends up in the net then who cares!

We can't do that currently.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

We might not see any 25 pass moves under Dyche but under Lampard our 25 pass moves still ended in a hoof from Pickford, so at least it saves time.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Tabasco?

Frank's, funnily enough.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I know he's not a dream appointment, and I'm pretty sure we'll get relegated under him (and most other managers), but he is at least an honest guy who works hard, and won't stand for any shirking. This is the minimum needed in the Championship. I think given our lack of work ethic, we will struggle if we go down. Trendy managers are all well and good, but managers like Cooper, Warnock, Dyche get consistent results in the lower leagues. Long term planning is out of the window, we need to stabilise the playing side of the club until our owner and board leave, and then hopefully we can start again.

Warnock's retired and when you look at his career as a whole there's a few blots on the copybook so he wasn't entirely consistent - a manager doesn't move around as much as he did based on consistency. Bielsa got Leeds promoted after many managers failed, absolutely demands a work ethic and is the absolute definition of football hipster trendy so I'm not sure what you mean in terms of ability to get results in The Championship.

Is Kompany at Burnley trendy for instance? His playing style is far removed from Dyche's but they're currently managing to sit very comfortably at the top of the Championship where, as you say, work ethic is key. Quite a few players have mentioned that he has a meticulous attention to detail which they didn't see under previous managers who were more concerned with hard work and drills.

Both credible approaches but I don't think there's a single approach that works better as a rule - it's about how good the manager is at instilling an approach.

Marco Silva got promoted from the Championship. Honest hard working guy, trendy or both? Pretty sure he'd been dismissed by quite a few as a trendy foreign sort with no actual substance but things appear to have changed. And he's certainly made a better fist of it in the Championship and now the PL with a promoted side than Steve 'Honest' Cooper has. I rate Cooper but again, I don't think there's a rule or type that works better - it's about how good they are at coaching, selection and getting their ideas across.

I've absolutely nothing against any of the names you mentioned and I can see the sense in appointing Dyche but I've no idea whatsoever what this 'trendy' term means.

 

[Harryflashman]

I know he's not a dream appointment, and I'm pretty sure we'll get relegated under him (and most other managers), but he is at least an honest guy who works hard, and won't stand for any shirking. This is the minimum needed in the Championship. I think given our lack of work ethic, we will struggle if we go down. Trendy managers are all well and good, but managers like Cooper, Warnock, Dyche get consistent results in the lower leagues. Long term planning is out of the window, we need to stabilise the playing side of the club until our owner and board leave, and then hopefully we can start again.

The championship top six in order


Kompany - pep acolyte
Paul heckingbottom - may fall into your criteria
Bilic - not sure he fits
Tomasson- European manager
David Wagner -European manager
Carrick - gained experience at United

I think you’re thinking about the championship a few years ago as last years promotions don’t fit that criteria at all either .

 

[jerseytoffee]

Thought this was an interesting watch, 20 minutes of Dyche explaining his system. Whether you like the system or not he clearly understands what he's doing and more importantly can explain it coherently and in detail. I think that's what our players need right now.

Was an interesting watch and doesn't seem like he would be all that bad if he came in. He could bring what we need, which is the team working hard off the ball positioning wise to at least stop shipping goals. We are often cut open so easily with gaps all over the midfield and his compact system looks like a good solution to this, Simeone has played like this for years.

He looks like he see's limitations, where they are competent and plays to strengths. Could be a better solution than Bielsa who will instead try to fit the players to his system.

At times he got Burnley playing some decent football, hopefully it wouldn't just be long ball continuously with us.

 

[Moomin]

Exactly. I must not have noticed all the exciting football we were playing under Frank.

Bottom line I’d rather watch a suitable tactic executed well than a more “exciting” tactic executed badly.

Lampard's football was a losing version of Fat Sam's style.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Go and get Kompany and let Dyche go back to Burnley to complete his fairytale.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

This is exactly what I was on about in another thread the other day. The whole point of DoF is to sort the playing philosophy and get the players and manager that suit that philosophy. It's quite obvious that with the managers we are getting linked to are such polar opposites that we don't as a club apply the principles of a DoF when choosing manager, as we all suspect moshiri is the one choosing the manager and telling his DoF who he's getting. Absolute madness putting someone in place to do a job and then constantly not letting that person do the job you employed him to do.

I don't think there are any set principles in the DoF role. Sure, some clubs may have a DoF for that reason, to carry out a football philosophy. Other clubs will hire a DoF largely on the names that DoF candidate has in his filofax or who he has on speed-dial. I don't care what the job spec was for our DoF, just about every club has an outward show of progressiveness. In reality the expectations on them will be different at different clubs.

 

[Bluebonic]

I’d rather see one 35 yard pass into the opponents half with an Everton player chasing it, than 35 one yard passes in our own half with eleven Everton players running away from it!

wake up and smell the coffee, Dyche will bring a style of play that suits the beaut's we have in our squad!

 

[hktoffee]

Sorry if this has been posted.

 

[Jamiednm]

Who cares about style of play at this stage FFS?

 

[navidson]

Looks like we're all going to give him a chance then ?

Some of us will