SCARED.....

[slimspek]

I like Moyes, I want him stay but all things must come to end. I don't think he's going to leave Everton for a while yet not until Man Utd or some massive club in Europe comes calling.
The board/finances need to change before we change Moyes. We don't want a manager to come and try to change club with no money to do so with a la Wigan (aka relegation fodder every year). Also we're not going to attract top managers until we get money. The only reason Moyes gets so much is because he's one of the few managers today that have worked at one club for so long and deserved it. The board is not going to go around telling potential managers that on day one they're going to be paid as much as Moyes, they'll say in ten years with good results you'll be paid as much as Moyes.

Also I'm surprised that people trust the board enough to find not just decent manager but one better than Moyes. Board IN Moyes OUT?

 

[Pomp]

I don't like Moyes but expect him to stay. I think Fellaini will be sold and I think the board will be happy to let Moyes carry on without him signing a new contract, which could be suicide.

 

[zed]

Uhh why is my post grouped with bluebottles's zed?

i thought you were pondering gender re-assignment like bb and i tried to help with a bit of positive support. stay true to yourself mate.

 

[kenada_blue]

I'd love to see the anti Moyes brigade become quiet if he did go, when the likes of Fellaini, Baines, Heightinga all depart and we appoint some relatively unknown manager from the lower leagues as his replacement.

Moyes, for all his faults, and I agree he does have a few, gets the club performing consistently above where our finances dictate we should finish.

All these "so called" better managers at big clubs have tons of money to throw around. Alex Ferguson would struggle to do the job Moyes has done if he was at Everton. Shame a few of you can't seem to get that in to your heads.

I'm assuming a few of you are younger and didn't live through the 90's when we had so many scrapes with relegation and the football was even more dire to watch with the likes of Walter Smith at the helm. Then we had Roy Walker who took over after having taken Norwich in to Europe and almost got us relegated playing attractive football.

I'm not saying it's impossible to find a manager who could get us playing better football and achieve the same level of success but if you look at club finances\league positions over the years it proves that Moyes outperforms nearly all managers in relation to how much money he has to spend.

I've never seen one of you suggest a viable alternative manager who would be likely to come to the club either. It's easy to say there are great young managers out there, there's bound to be, same as there's great young strikers that don't cost too much, just it's a lot easier to say there are than it is to actually find them and I'm assuming you anti Moyes\Kenwright fans are going to put your trust in Kenwright to pull another rabbit out of the hat?

If he does go, expect there to be a huge exodus from our team. Wether you like Moyes or not the players do and I think we'll see a lot of players leave if he does take the Spurs job.

I'd be careful what you wish for.

He's not gonna be here forever...

But then again, apparently he can only work in clubs where he has total control. So he's gonna be here for another decade

 

[Seamus Colemole]

So you would be happy to have somebody come in just for the wages?Wages he wouldnt get it must be said, the reason Moyes is on so much money is due in part to the length hes been at the Club.

I'd love to manage Everton for £65,000 a week but the club aren't going to give me the job, if we can give those wages to Moyes to make him the 14th highest paid manager in the world we can use them to attract a decent quality manager. And not Owen Coyle before you start again.

Still doesn't answer my question as to why any decent manager would turn us down due to transfer funds but not accept the job due to high wages

And do you think Mancini is a good Manager? Im fairly sure the cash he had to spend had no effect on him winning the title.

Of course he is, he has a good record at all his clubs and has won trophies at 3 of them numerous times. There's a lot of managers who have had decent money to spend who haven't done that.

Money only matters if you spend it right. Just because you might shop in Harrods regualry cause you can doesn't mean you can't then shop in Charity shops if you have to.

 

[Mekias]

I'm sure there are managers out there that could do a better job than Moyes. But there's a serious risk involved in testing that theory. My feeling is that 75% would do worse, 15-20% about the same, and maybe 5-10% would do better. The problem is, how do we recognize the 5-10% that could do better? Managers succeed and fail based on many different factors that are completely outside their purview. Some succeed mostly because of their situation. Some can fail despite doing everything right. It can sometimes take a long period of time to effectively separate a manager's abilities from his situation. Young managers always have small sample sizes and are thus more risky and difficult to rate. Older managers with a proven success record might not want to go to a cash strapped club like Everton and may not have had to deal with extreme fiscal constraints like this for a long time. It really is difficult to tell who has that magic elixir that could work with Everton.

Even if "we" could determine who those 5-10% would be, would the board do the same? Do we trust the board to pick the right guy? I personally wouldn't trust them with anything. In my mind, they're FAR more likely to pick a manager who'll have us fighting relegation in a few years. Who would have thought Aston Villa would almost get sent down last year? They've been right there with us for many years and had more money to spend. It's not as big of a drop as some people think. It can happen VERY quickly. Besides, would our top players even stick around if Moyes left? Most seem to love the guy.

I'd absolutely be a little scared if Moyes left but for VERY good reason. There's a small chance we could get better but a much bigger chance that we would go into a tailspin. Maybe I'm not as much of a gambler as I was in my younger years. Also, there's a fallacy in the logic that keeping Moyes means we'll never be any better. With Jelavic up top, I'm a lot more confident of Everton's potential. All we would need is one or two great signings or guys like Rodwell and Barkley to step up and we could end up in Champions League as soon as next year.

Listen, Moyes isn't perfect. He's too conservative and negative with his tactics, especially in big games. He's loyal to some guys when he probably shouldn't be. He ostracizes some players whom he doesn't feel put 110% effort in (even though they're clearly better than the "hard workers"). But I can also see what he's trying to do sometimes. Conservative tactics are sometimes necessary to win against better clubs (although I hate it when Moyes does this against worse clubs). Loyalty to players could lead to them staying around at Everton even when they could leave or talking up the club to their mates on other teams. Forcing your guys to put in a high work rate can win you matches even when you aren't at your best.

What would be perfect for me is for Moyes to reconsider some of his negative tactics and be able to re-invent himself and his club when necessary. That's really the only thing holding him back from becoming a fantastic manager. Will he ever do it? Probably not, he's pretty stubborn. But you never know. I'd say the chances of him changing his tune is better than the 5-10% chance that another manager would improve the club.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

I agree, name and shame these posters that have said they expect to win stuff every year. The treble! They're having a laugh. Name them so we can put them in their place.

hahaha tried to rep you harry but must spread it around

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

So you would be happy to have somebody come in just for the wages? Wages he wouldnt get it must be said, the reason Moyes is on so much money is due in part to the length hes been at the Club.

And do you think Mancini is a good Manager? Im fairly sure the cash he had to spend had no effect on him winning the title.

your making yourself look like a top quality numpty in this thread mate you really are. it's ok though you are Dave Moyes number one fan we get that. pity you know feck all about football.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

haha neg rep for that, no name attached though hmm lol

 

[quasi modo]

haha neg rep for that, no name attached though hmm lol

Gone against the cliche mate.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

haha i can deal with this been on here long enough not to care, carry on neg boys i know i'm getting to you, carry on keep calm.

 

[whiteshadow]

I'm sure there are managers out there that could do a better job than Moyes. But there's a serious risk involved in testing that theory. My feeling is that 75% would do worse, 15-20% about the same, and maybe 5-10% would do better. The problem is, how do we recognize the 5-10% that could do better? Managers succeed and fail based on many different factors that are completely outside their purview. Some succeed mostly because of their situation. Some can fail despite doing everything right. It can sometimes take a long period of time to effectively separate a manager's abilities from his situation. Young managers always have small sample sizes and are thus more risky and difficult to rate. Older managers with a proven success record might not want to go to a cash strapped club like Everton and may not have had to deal with extreme fiscal constraints like this for a long time. It really is difficult to tell who has that magic elixir that could work with Everton.

Even if "we" could determine who those 5-10% would be, would the board do the same? Do we trust the board to pick the right guy? I personally wouldn't trust them with anything. In my mind, they're FAR more likely to pick a manager who'll have us fighting relegation in a few years. Who would have thought Aston Villa would almost get sent down last year? They've been right there with us for many years and had more money to spend. It's not as big of a drop as some people think. It can happen VERY quickly. Besides, would our top players even stick around if Moyes left? Most seem to love the guy.

I'd absolutely be a little scared if Moyes left but for VERY good reason. There's a small chance we could get better but a much bigger chance that we would go into a tailspin. Maybe I'm not as much of a gambler as I was in my younger years. Also, there's a fallacy in the logic that keeping Moyes means we'll never be any better. With Jelavic up top, I'm a lot more confident of Everton's potential. All we would need is one or two great signings or guys like Rodwell and Barkley to step up and we could end up in Champions League as soon as next year.

Listen, Moyes isn't perfect. He's too conservative and negative with his tactics, especially in big games. He's loyal to some guys when he probably shouldn't be. He ostracizes some players whom he doesn't feel put 110% effort in (even though they're clearly better than the "hard workers"). But I can also see what he's trying to do sometimes. Conservative tactics are sometimes necessary to win against better clubs (although I hate it when Moyes does this against worse clubs). Loyalty to players could lead to them staying around at Everton even when they could leave or talking up the club to their mates on other teams. Forcing your guys to put in a high work rate can win you matches even when you aren't at your best.

What would be perfect for me is for Moyes to reconsider some of his negative tactics and be able to re-invent himself and his club when necessary. That's really the only thing holding him back from becoming a fantastic manager. Will he ever do it? Probably not, he's pretty stubborn. But you never know. I'd say the chances of him changing his tune is better than the 5-10% chance that another manager would improve the club.

Great post.

 

[Pomp]

What would be perfect for me is for Moyes to reconsider some of his negative tactics and be able to re-invent himself and his club when necessary. .

Great post and I share your feelings. However, we've been looking for signs that Moyes would be a little more creative on a consistent basis. As just one example, look how long he persisted with Saha. If Redknapp had not thought he was worth a gamble, we may have still been playing Saha up front until the end of the season! Seriously.

I think Moyes is going to be too stubborn to sell Fellaini or Baines. I personally would sell Fellaini but only for top money and to a foreign club, absolutely crucial we don't sell him to Man City or Chelsea. But as I said, Moyes will be too stubborn.

I think personally this could be the best summer for years! Gonna be interesting.

Also agree with shouts for Stubbs and to a lesser degree Sheedy. Wouldn't be surprised if something like this eventually happens.

 

[Mekias]

Great post and I share your feelings. However, we've been looking for signs that Moyes would be a little more creative on a consistent basis. As just one example, look how long he persisted with Saha. If Redknapp had not thought he was worth a gamble, we may have still been playing Saha up front until the end of the season! Seriously.

I know what you mean. At times it seems like Moyes will never change. But maybe we saw a glimpse of something changing last year after the loss at Wembley. The next game we go to Old Trafford and I couldn't believe we were the same club. It was an incredible performance (despite letting in 4 goals) and was a far cry from the previous year when we went to Old Trafford and parked the bus. Maybe all Moyes needs is better players and an occasional kick in the pants.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I know what you mean. At times it seems like Moyes will never change. But maybe we saw a glimpse of something changing last year after the loss at Wembley. The next game we go to Old Trafford and I couldn't believe we were the same club. It was an incredible performance (despite letting in 4 goals) and was a far cry from the previous year when we went to Old Trafford and parked the bus. Maybe all Moyes needs is better players and an occasional kick in the pants.

Nah mate its not a sign of change.

Several posters on here said that we would put in a great performance at Old Trafford, therefor making our surrender at Wembley even more annoying.

And they were right because they'd seen it all before.