Sam Allardyce

[Rudolf Hucker]

The issue is the board. Kenwright & his cronies have survived this long, because fans who can’t see what’s in front of them repeatedly blame the latest patsy.

You could get rid of Sam & bring Guardiola in. The struggle will continue until we have a complete clearout at the top.

 

[Sir Alan]

The issue is the board. Kenwright & his cronies have survived this long, because fans who can’t see what’s in front of them repeatedly blame the latest patsy.

You could get rid of Sam & bring Guardiola in. The struggle will continue until we have a complete clearout at the top.

True we find it easy to blame the manager or players but there’s been one constant over the last 20 years..... Bill

 

[Paulie]

When Allardyce first arrived he made us defensively sound very quickly, but it was boring to watch so the fans start demanding better football. He's listened to the fans and gone offensively to appease the fans and lo and behold because we haven't got a team to play that way we are getting beat. I'd sooner we went back to boring and picked up points.

Then at the same time he hasn't gone back to Williams and Holgate and Rooney in a deep lying role.

 

[evertonarntwe]

When Allardyce first arrived he made us defensively sound very quickly, but it was boring to watch so the fans start demanding better football. He's listened to the fans and gone offensively to appease the fans and lo and behold because we haven't got a team to play that way we are getting beat. I'd sooner we went back to boring and picked up points.

Then at the same time he hasn't gone back to Williams and Holgate and Rooney in a deep lying role.

Yes mate. He came in we had a few wins playing [Poor language removed] and averaging a few shots a game

He then listened and made us more attacking and we now have zero shots per game

Makes sense

 

[MartSlinger]

When Allardyce first arrived he made us defensively sound very quickly, but it was boring to watch so the fans start demanding better football. He's listened to the fans and gone offensively to appease the fans and lo and behold because we haven't got a team to play that way we are getting beat. I'd sooner we went back to boring and picked up points.

Then at the same time he hasn't gone back to Williams and Holgate and Rooney in a deep lying role.

Did he though? He sat 9 men behind the ball, doesnt take a genius to work out that doing that will eventually stop you leaking goals, but he hasn't actually sorted the defence out because the moment we dont have 9 men behind the ball we look abysmal.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Wowsers... "we need to be more defensive".

surely everyone on this forum, even the people who go on about his great football 12 years ago at Bolton could see all this happening? New manager, nice expected upturn in results, then the true style of play comes out and this is the garbage we are left with.

Sam was never the answer to any question we should have ever had as a football club, any competent manager could have come in a shored up the defence... I stand by that, Koeman had alienated the players, and Unsworth was "too close and pally pally" (words from someone close to the club).

We panicked, am not arguing with the usual suspects who said we where in a relegation fight, imo we weren't.

My problem now is, if we carry on with Sam's turd brand of football, we will be sucked right down and lucky to finish 14th... and if that wasn't enough, he then turns around and says we need to be more defensive...

BLOODY DEFENSIVE?

Oh large one, you are a massive headed knob... I cant wait for you to be out the club. Seriously cannot wait.

 

[bluestevon]

I physically puked when he was even just linked with us. I’m still in shock and denial,that we actually offered the crook the big seat at our Club. I’m convinced that Steve Walsh is the architect of all things bad at Everton....big mate of Allardyce, poor transfers, shat on Koeman, doing nothing positive,.....yet so how untouchable.

You'd be correct i reckon, and untouchable - hope not, just think it's a lot more of a signal that as a 'owner' you've messed up when you have to sack a DoF within a year than it is a manager, as one is generally accepted these days as transitional and short term - whereas the other is by the very nature of the post meant to be a very long term appointment to ensure continuity at the club

Problem with us is - and this seems a flaw of Moshiri - he wanted to implement something - a director of football, and couldn't get the one he wanted, so instead of taking stock of the options and holding off on implementing it until he could get a qualified one, he gambled on a flavour of the month appointment in Walsh, same way as he gambled on Koeman as he wanted a 'Hollywood name' manager.

We badly badly need a figure like Dean at the club who can make decisions based on having an actual clue about football rather than someone who i'm starting to think actually is informed by Talksport and Sky Sports transfer shows.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Plus, why the hell did he change the back line, Holgate and Williams has looked our best defensive partnership... rested for a game yes, but he hasn't brought it back.

 

[abelard]

When Allardyce first arrived he made us defensively sound very quickly, but it was boring to watch so the fans start demanding better football. He's listened to the fans and gone offensively to appease the fans and lo and behold because we haven't got a team to play that way we are getting beat. I'd sooner we went back to boring and picked up points.

we improved somewhat defensively at first but were always a long way from sound.

we were outlandishly fortunate not to have conceded far more in the first few games, and it was apparent to anyone not desperate to put a positive spin on things that our luck with the goalposts/Mané's misfiring synapses etc. was never going to hold

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

I physically puked when he was even just linked with us. I’m still in shock and denial,that we actually offered the crook the big seat at our Club. I’m convinced that Steve Walsh is the architect of all things bad at Everton....big mate of Allardyce, poor transfers, shat on Koeman, doing nothing positive,.....yet so how untouchable.

You'd be correct i reckon, and untouchable - hope not, just think it's a lot more of a signal that as a 'owner' you've messed up when you have to sack a DoF within a year than it is a manager, as one is generally accepted these days as transitional and short term - whereas the other is by the very nature of the post meant to be a very long term appointment to ensure continuity at the club

Problem with us is - and this seems a flaw of Moshiri - he wanted to implement something - a director of football, and couldn't get the one he wanted, so instead of taking stock of the options and holding off on implementing it until he could get a qualified one, he gambled on a flavour of the month appointment in Walsh, same way as he gambled on Koeman as he wanted a 'Hollywood name' manager.

We badly badly need a figure like Dean at the club who can make decisions based on having an actual clue about football rather than someone who i'm starting to think actually is informed by Talksport and Sky Sports transfer shows.

You are correct that Walsh is the complete architect of getting Sam in, Moshiri wasn't sold, hence why it took a couple of meetings and Walsh banging on about relegation to Moshiri.

@bluestevon unfortunately you are wrong about Walsh not being his first choice though mate... Moshiri wanted Walsh and then was romanced by the Monchi world - he was never an option at that time, Walsh was always the one he wanted though due to his record of buying unknowns and selling for large profit.

Worked out well that though...

 

[bluestevon]

Did he though? He sat 9 men behind the ball, doesnt take a genius to work out that doing that will eventually stop you leaking goals, but he hasn't actually sorted the defence out because the moment we dont have 9 men behind the ball we look abysmal.

Main difference is luck, we had it when he went unbeaten, pens given that where 50/50, teams hitting the woodwork (Newcastle and another game that escapes me)or missing absolute sitters against us (Mane, Rondon), now that luck has balanced we are getting the results that the performances all along with BFS have probably merited.

 

[nsno-chris]

Upon closer inspection of the squad he has discovered that we have a League 2 player in the back 4, one left footed outfield player registered in the 25-man squad who's injured, and not a single central midfielder that can pass forwards. It's a bigger job than he must have anticipated, and bigger than many on here will want to admit.

Well then surely it shows that is due diligence is appalling if he failed to see all that, after all his best mate is our DoF.

And this thing about midfielders not passing the ball forward is a massive cop out. They don’t pass it forward because we have a centre forward who is so far isolated that we may as well play with 10 men

And we were to attacking against Spurs, all aboard the Sam express for the remainder of the season

 

[bluestevon]

You are correct that Walsh is the complete architect of getting Sam in, Moshiri wasn't sold, hence why it took a couple of meetings and Walsh banging on about relegation to Moshiri.

@bluestevon unfortunately you are wrong about Walsh not being his first choice though mate... Moshiri wanted Walsh and then was romanced by the Monchi world - he was never an option at that time, Walsh was always the one he wanted though due to his record of buying unknowns and selling for large profit.

Worked out well that though...

Makes it worse then mate, means he basically recruits from the red top rags current FoM

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Well then surely it shows that is due diligence is appalling if he failed to see all that, after all his best mate is our DoF.

And this thing about midfielders not passing the ball forward is a massive cop out. They don’t pass it forward because we have a centre forward who is so far isolated that we may as well play with 10 men

And we were to attacking against Spurs, all aboard the Sam express for the remainder of the season

Its a load of bollocks that mate - how can we bring the centre forward into the game when 90% of the game he has no-one within 30 yards of him....

Its poor poor football at the moment... absolutely terrible.

 

[matty1878]

Has he gone yet lol ffs. FS out