Sam Allardyce

[jceverton]

It's not weak, and it's not methodologically robust - but that's because it's based on the only data available, as I cant conjure up 5 more PL games that Unsworth managed to identically compare him with Allardyce.

I can only make a judgement on what's in front of me. If you disagree with the method, I understand. But what you cant disagree with is that we shifted 5 places up the table under Unsworth.

Here’s the shots on target for Unsworth and Allardyce in the league.
Unsworth: 2,5,5,2,5
Allardyce: 4,2,4,7,0,3,1,0,0.

Looks like he had a bit of momentum when he took over and then the attacking side has gone into sharp decline.

 

[wainy]

Ok....first of all how do you know he will spend it on dross? He has signed one player for us so far.

There are fans going to Goodison week in week out who have never seen us win anything or even come close to it. So again, what type of club are we exactly?

We know what we want to be. Every club wants to be that though.

Because it's Big Sam. Look at the teams he has managed and the squads he leaves behind.

We're a mediocre, living in the past sort of club whose loyal fan base is desperate to see it return to the top of English football, but ultimately would be happy for us to finish 7th or 8th. That's what the media would have you believe.

An Evertonian (one worth his salt anyway) would tell you we are proud club of firsts, that have had the privilege of having some of the finest players the UK has produced playing for it. Not just playing, but giving everything for the shirt. A club that has won 9 league championships, 5 fa cups and 1 European trophy. A club that was, until recently, used to dining at the top table English football. We expect attacking play. We expect 100% from every player for 90 minutes. We dont even care if that player is utter garbage, if he gives 100% for the shirt. We expect the players to share our mentality, and we have lacked that of late. Not since Tim Cahill left has anyone truly "got" Everton.

Now we have some waster in charge telling us we need to be "more boring" after we have been played off the park and had 0 shots on target for a 3rd game in 5. A man who has literally achieved nothing in his career. Do you think he should have the honour of managing our great club?

Not every club wants be like that. Not every club can be that.

 

[JLW]

So you would have employed who then?

Why is this always the answer to the people who didn’t want Allarydce???

 

[Saint Domingo]

Here’s the shots on target for Unsworth and Allardyce in the league.
Unsworth: 2,5,5,2,5
Allardyce: 4,2,4,7,0,3,1,0,0.

Looks like he had a bit of momentum when he took over and then the attacking side has gone into sharp decline.

Players played up a bit when they thought their jobs might be on the line. Once it was clear to the likes of Gueye Schneiderlin Jags Keane Martina Siggurdson etc. that Allardyce wasn’t going to threaten their massive contracts they slipped right back into bare minimum mode. Spineless biffs the lot of them.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Why is this always the answer to the people who didn’t want Allarydce???

Because some questions,when taken in context, only have one answer.

 

[davek]

Here’s the shots on target for Unsworth and Allardyce in the league.
Unsworth: 2,5,5,2,5
Allardyce: 4,2,4,7,0,3,1,0,0.

Looks like he had a bit of momentum when he took over and then the attacking side has gone into sharp decline.

Good point mate. There's lots of variables you can compare and contrast each short tenure in, some back up SA others back up DU. Relative points haul and table placings cut across them all though.

 

[jceverton]

So you would have employed who then?

I don’t think there were great options available at the time. I think you were looking at appointing Unsworth until the end of the season or Tuchel. What we shouldn’t have done is appoint Unsworth on a game by game basis, panic and then appoint Allardyce.

 

[Saint Domingo]

These players will be bricking it for the next home game. They’ll do nothing for 45 mins then under pressure from the crowd will play up second half to scrape s win then dine out on it for about 4 weeks. Utter chancers.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

It shows how much of a tactical bell Allardyce is when he parks the bus against West Brom and Bournemouth, then tries to play attacking footy (haha, supposedly) against Man U and Spurs.

 

[Berenger]

Here’s the shots on target for Unsworth and Allardyce in the league.
Unsworth: 2,5,5,2,5
Allardyce: 4,2,4,7,0,3,1,0,0.

Looks like he had a bit of momentum when he took over and then the attacking side has gone into sharp decline.

You’d be hard-pressed to find more crude misuse of statistics than this. To give just three reasons:

1) You’re better off looking at expected goals than shots on target because it controls for the quality of chance. It also brings out the fact that Unsworth’s setup was more cavalier than Allardyce’s. (I.e. this helps your argument.)

2) You completely ignore the opposition in that list. Would you expect more shots on target against better teams or fewer?

3) You completely ignore the defensive side of the game, which impacts the metric you’ve listed and the failure at which which was the defining reason why Unsworth had to go.

 

[Berenger]

Good point mate. There's lots of variables you can compare and contrast each short tenure in, some back up SA others back up DU. Relative points haul and table placings cut across them all though.

No they do not! Table placing is clearly not a good short run indicator. Relative points haul relative to expectation is a better one but Allardyce comes out on top of Koeman and Unsie there so far.

 

[Nealroy]

Still showing all the hallmarks of 93/94 - new manager bounce quickly disintegrating. Easter will be fun if this keeps up.

 

[nsno-chris]

Here’s the shots on target for Unsworth and Allardyce in the league.
Unsworth: 2,5,5,2,5
Allardyce: 4,2,4,7,0,3,1,0,0.

Looks like he had a bit of momentum when he took over and then the attacking side has gone into sharp decline.

That in itself should be a sackable offence. Blame the players all you like, but it’s the manager that picks them, sticks with them and then as the audacity to say we were to attacking

 

[matty1878]

You gonna cancel your stream? what choice do fans have really? Up to mosh like...

Stream? I have a season card mate. I won’t cancel it Because FS will be binned of at some point.

 

[PeregrineT]

He should be canned even if he does finish 7th.

Fat Head cannot move us past them positions.

Oh I agree, but I think 8th gives them the easy excuse. Its 100% out if its 8th or below, and only 98% if he gets 7th.