There’s no probably about it mate that’s his style! Defend in numbers then launch it and feed of the scraps (knock downs) then go from there! That’s why he does ok in the relegation fights, unfortunately we’re stuck with him even though we’re not in one and never was.
It really is painful to watch at the minute.
*awaits the “would you rather us attack and get beat shouts”
No I would like us to attack and defend as a team with positive results.
The reason he does well at rubbish teams who should be relegated is because he is a very good manager. He's proving that already.
So we didn't actually get humiliated in the space of a few days by Atalanta and Southampton then? One who hadn't won away all season and stuck 5 past us on our own ground, and another who stuck half their seasons goal tally past us in 1 game and have been getting hit for 4 and 5 home and away since we played them?
Tough start...tougher than Burnley's away games where they picked up a win at Stamford Bridge, and got draws at Wembley and Anfield? After our tough start we then faced a run of fixtures against Limassol (H), Burnley (H) and Brighton (A) and couldn't win any of them. In reality our team was dire under Koeman and similarly as spineless under Unsworth where the humiliations against average sides continued.
Allardyce has sorted that out and made us hard to beat. People also seem to be forgetting/ignoring Allardyce managed to snatch us our only win away in the league in the last 11 months.
I cant believe he's got us 2pts average per game, its like a Xmas miracle.
hahaha that is actual nonsense and is the classic top out argument. For 6 million quid a year we would have had (and did have Silva, Fonseca etc) plenty of takers, we just chose the low risk/low reward option and hopefully we will correct that in the summer.
So you want to get rid of someone whose averaging 2pts a game with no left back and no centre forward...
lol
Enjoyed that, thanks.
The man just speaks plain English, common sense. He’s done exactly what he says in that video so far & more.
When he arrived (right after us being humiliated by the might of Atalanta & Southampton), nobody would have given him a hope in hell of going 7 unbeaten. Not only has he done that, but 4 wins, 5 clean sheets & just 2 goals conceded. It’s an incredible turnaround. On Boxing Day, on top of already being without Coleman & Baines, he was missing Rooney & Gana. That’s some really key players there, yet he’s able to rotate & the players coming in know their jobs. When players are struggling, he’s not afraid to make 2 subs at HT & make the balance right. If it was Mourinho, he’d be the special one. Yet some of our fans complain. And that’s before he’s even had the opportunity to deliver on the 2nd part of his plan, bringing in players in Jan.
Does anyone actually think Guardiola could have done better?
No one could have done this well...its an incredible feat and if he gets us 7th this season there will be huge optimism amongst the players going into next season...at the moment theyre probably feeling unbeatable.
Sam has played one way in nearly all his managerial career, what makes you think he's going to change?
he hasn't though has he? He played a negative style of play when going to rubbish teams and saving them from relegation. He did the same at Bolton but then gradually adapted it to go short and long even on a shoestring budget. He's pragmatic.
What you're saying is partly correct in my opinion but I think you have to view things with a sense of perspective. If he has us in 9th with 45 points in March and he's taking us to places like Swansea still playing this cautious when we have added a few names in January and got players back from injury then people are right to be frustrated. I even understand the frustration with how poor we were yesterday from a fan perspective but Allardyce has a specific job to do for the time being and he doesn't want to take risks.
By being more attacking and ambitious yesterday, it would have meant we were more likely to concede and Allardyce doesn't fully trust the players to be able to hold out playing that way. So he's going to be stubborn for the time being and while the points total is going up steadily I think people should be pleased in the short term that we're getting further away from the relegation places and staying within touching distance of Leicester in 8th, and possibly catching Burnley. We were nowhere near that before he came in.
Games like yesterday are awful compared to 2013/14 going to the Emirates and Old Trafford and getting 4 points in the space of a week, but they're no where near as bad as some of the horrific defeats we've witnessed away since then, like the 3-0s at Sunderland and Southampton under Martinez, the 2x 4-0 derby defeats, the 5-0 at Chelsea last season under Koeman and the 3-0 at Atalanta and 4-1 v Southampton this. Any point away is OK for where we are at the moment.
If Marco Silva was doing this and following the Diego Simeone style of play everyone would be raving...they just don't like sam allardyce.
Its quite bizarre...champions league next season and they would still complain...you have to wonder.
I'm struggling to understand why people think it will develop much beyond what he's serving up now.
What gives people hope from his career that we will? What gives people the idea we've even got that much money to spend on new players? The fact is that we have completely ballsed everything up and being best of the rest is all we can hope for in the foreseeable future.
Look at the squads in the top 6. Littered with quality players. We have spunked the majority of our money and are actually a worse team for it.
That doesn't make sense...weve just turned over a 30mil profit and have a lot of players we could sell and more tv money.
Guardiolas mother would pick a more attacking team than us, we are a disgrace to our whole history.
Which team do you support because Guardiola couldn't do anything with this team nor his dear mother.
Of course I want that.
But it's simple infeasible and unrealistic to expect that right now. Literally one month ago yesterday we lost 4-1 at Southampton in one if the worst things my eyes have ever seen.
Yet people think it should all be fixed in less than a month. It's insanity to be expecting that right now. In fact it's a Christmas miracle that we are looking so solid at the back currently.
He's here to make us solid after being so unbelievably poor. To do that you start at the back and become hard to beat. It's absolutely basic.
But yet people think we should be playing like Man City (IT'S AN EXAGGERATION DON'T TAKE THIS TO HEART) already. It's impossible.
Snowflakes / Geordies etc etc its bizarre.
We get smashed at Southampton in one of the worst games since the 90s and yet people are going mad about earning an away point against a west brom side with a new manager who have a good home record this season.
Just sick and tired of people who try make out that having ANY expectation whatsoever for our club is a bad thing mate, yeah shouting we should be winning the league before the season starts would be unrealistic in the current game, but trying to act like we should be happy by not being murdered (pun intended) by the rs or Chelsea at home and happy with a point and being dominated to a frankly absolutely crap West Brom team makes me sad for people who follow us and think that's the pinnacle of what we should aim to achieve.
Has anyone claimed that though?
If we keep Allardyce and some of our snowflake fans get behind him then we will compete for top 4 next season...no doubt in my mind.
