Sam Allardyce

[davek]

very forbearing of you to put up with four wins and a draw in the last five games after the dross that went before. god help him when he loses a couple eh

I'm not complaining about Allardyce being here short term to the season's end. The owner panicked and got him in, Allardyce didn't make the decision to hire himself and I expect him to do the job he was hired to do competently - and he's had a good start in that respect.

I just dont want him and his brand of football / typical player recruitment here beyond the season we're now seeing out.

 

[MickA]

You're stats are counting for Koeman and Unsworth as well though.

I'm not saying we don't go long - but our issue hasn't been going long recently. It's been our midfield been too sluggish in possession, and that was the issue in the first half on Monday night. An issue which Sam has said he wasn't happy about.

That's absolutely right and it's something I mentioned on another thread (along with Koeman's style also being industrial a lot of the time).

I don't mind long balls when needs must but there's no doubt we've started going longer under this manager and a lot of the time aimlessly. I have noticed that there is a bizarre refusal to accept this from some (not saying yourself) usually masked by the 'well we put a couple of decent moves together' defence.

 

[bluestevon]

Stability can’t be rushed though.

It took Moyes 3-4 years to stop the rot.

In the current climate of the league mate, 3-4 years of stability will see us drop even further away at an alarming rate from the 6 clubs financially above us by a mile already, and will open the very real possibility that 1 or 2 others clubs who receive sizeable investment in that period could leapfrog us (Newcastle post takeover for example).

It comes to a point that stability goes from the necessity short term to the long term goal and it has happened to many club over the years who threatened to push on - and every one that settled for the stability route ultimately fell off a cliff eventually (Villa for example)

 

[bluestevon]

You're stats are counting for Koeman and Unsworth as well though.

I'm not saying we don't go long - but our issue hasn't been going long recently. It's been our midfield been too sluggish in possession, and that was the issue in the first half on Monday night. An issue which Sam has said he wasn't happy about.

Who sent the team out on Monday with two holding midfielders and Rooney who has shown he struggles to be involved when played in a side playing two defensive midfielders mate?

If as it was the team looked sluggish and aimless in the centre of the park last Monday, it was entirely predictable before the game it was going to look that way, as we have the evidence of every-time we have played that system with those players and it looks exactly the same.

So effectively Allardyce said after the game he wasn't happy with the way the team played - when it was painfully obvious to a lot of people that the way we played was determined by the personnel picked

 

[bluestevon]

That's absolutely right and it's something I mentioned on another thread (along with Koeman's style also being industrial a lot of the time).

I don't mind long balls when needs must but there's no doubt we've started going longer under this manager and a lot of the time aimlessly. I have noticed that there is a bizarre refusal to accept this from some (not saying yourself) usually masked by the 'well we put a couple of decent moves together' defence.

The 'we put a couple of decent moves together' defence if anything for me makes the situation worse, because the team has shown in glimpses that it is more than capable of playing decent and attractive football - but the 'philosophy' of the manager is to get it as far away from our box as quick and possible which ultimately means those decent moves are actually counter to the way Sam wants us playing rather than a glimpse at the future

 

[bluestevon]

I'm not complaining about Allardyce being here short term to the season's end. The owner panicked and got him in, Allardyce didn't make the decision to hire himself and I expect him to do the job he was hired to do competently - and he's had a good start in that respect.

I just dont want him and his brand of football / typical player recruitment here beyond the season we're now seeing out.

Allardyce isn't a stupid man either mate, he will give the sound-bites about wanting to play a more attractive brand of football etc - because he knows some people will lap that up as gospel - when it's just words and the next training drill he will have the cb's and midfielders whacking it 60y all session.

He will 100% also keep a core element of this team as kids - because again he realises that it buys him a lot of credit from some fans for playing them.

Lets see how we approach Saturday though, home game against a team, who likely won't be playing a striker against us and who have shown that they aren't vulnerable to a team sitting back (which was the argument for the way we played against the rs being the correct way to play), we sit deep against Chelsea playing Gueye and Schneiderlin again without Moratta playing and criticism should be levelled at us.

 

[Khalekan]

He has done it on numerous occasions in interviews that I have seen, counting the game as a clean sheet and win under him.

Not making a big thing of it at all, and delighted with how he is doing, but just think he could leave it out.

I must say I never got that impression from any interview I saw him giving.

 

[Runcornblue52]

He has done it on numerous occasions in interviews that I have seen, counting the game as a clean sheet and win under him.

Not making a big thing of it at all, and delighted with how he is doing, but just think he could leave it out.

He hasn't though . Unlike Koeman , He refers to Everton as "WE "....So any results are "ours ", even the defeats before he arrived .

 

[matty1878]

If he does better than expected, he can manage us 10 years for all I care.

We'll see at the end of the season and take it from there. I hope we won't have the usual post-Sam shambles.

Ten years? Now your lying. You would want us to just stay a mid table team for ten years behave yourself

 

[cromofo]

Ten years? Now your lying. You would want us to just stay a mid table team for ten years behave yourself

"Better than expected" I said

but probably he won't have the chance to manage the 2nd season tho

 

[donny]

In the current climate of the league mate, 3-4 years of stability will see us drop even further away at an alarming rate from the 6 clubs financially above us by a mile already, and will open the very real possibility that 1 or 2 others clubs who receive sizeable investment in that period could leapfrog us (Newcastle post takeover for example).

It comes to a point that stability goes from the necessity short term to the long term goal and it has happened to many club over the years who threatened to push on - and every one that settled for the stability route ultimately fell off a cliff eventually (Villa for example)

Keep investing huge sums of money on the wrong players/managers as we seem to have done will see u falling off the cliff even more quickly.

 

[Khalekan]

That's absolutely right and it's something I mentioned on another thread (along with Koeman's style also being industrial a lot of the time).

I don't mind long balls when needs must but there's no doubt we've started going longer under this manager and a lot of the time aimlessly. I have noticed that there is a bizarre refusal to accept this from some (not saying yourself) usually masked by the 'well we put a couple of decent moves together' defence.

Quite a lot of doubt from this quarter.

I see absolutely no evidence of an increase in aimless long balls and in fact have been pleasantly surprised at some of the intricate passing movements as evidenced in the build up to both penalties the other night.

You are nitpicking for the sake of it.

 

[bluestevon]

Quite a lot of doubt from this quarter.

I see absolutely no evidence of an increase in aimless long balls and in fact have been pleasantly surprised at some of the intricate passing movements as evidenced in the build up to both penalties the other night.

You are nitpicking for the sake of it.

Not really Khal, the stats show exactly that we have been going longer and we have been losing possession more with going longer.

Stats from about 20+ years of him in management show that it's not an aberration - it's what he prefers and drills into players to do as well. Seen lots of people shout that his Bolton side played some 'lovely football', my abiding memory from Bolton was them pumping long balls constantly to Kevin Davies in the channel or directly up top.

At West Ham to Carroll, at Palace to Benteke, and at Newcastle my biggest memory of the way they played was throwing long balls up top and hope that Nolan could capitalise on any lose balls from that.

 

[bobafro]

Quite a lot of doubt from this quarter.

I see absolutely no evidence of an increase in aimless long balls and in fact have been pleasantly surprised at some of the intricate passing movements as evidenced in the build up to both penalties the other night.

You are nitpicking for the sake of it.

I agree that we've played some decent football at times - especially in the last 2 games, but certainly in the away games under Sam there's been a tendency to go long.

I would love to know how many balls Pickford has kicked directly out of play in the last 5 games... I remember specifically 3 in a row in the Anfield game where he booted it up the pitch and out of play only for the ball to get returned to him almost immediately for him to repeat the process. All happened in the space of about 3-4 minutes and very frustrating to watch.

 

[MickA]

Quite a lot of doubt from this quarter.

I see absolutely no evidence of an increase in aimless long balls and in fact have been pleasantly surprised at some of the intricate passing movements as evidenced in the build up to both penalties the other night.

You are nitpicking for the sake of it.

See this is what I can't understand. We may have polar opinions of the man but how can you possibly have watched the games under him and not noticed the aimless punts? It's just bizarre.

It is possible to support the man and accept his methods, nobody will mind!