Sam Allardyce

[Brisan123]

Yes exactly so why should we keep him is the question? I think he's made matters worse with his comments and disrespect of the fans and the club, he's also not stepped up to the mark of Everton manager. We are in a decent run now but take it in the context, most of the teams we've played have been poor or their season is over or they weren't bothered like Liverpool. This current run is kind of false in that way, any good team we have played has beaten us and most away games have been dire slogs to try and get a draw. So we say thanks for steadying the ship Sam but we are moving on without you.

Lads are forgetting the away games against Burnley and Watford where SA bottled it

 

[Papa Shango]

Lads are forgetting the away games against Burnley and Watford where SA bottled it

We aint Barcelona. We will lose some away games.

 

[Blues Harp]

Not if the budgets there and an attractive salary!

Yeah, said that about koeman and look what happened..you trust moshiri and the rest of the board do you?

 

[Brisan123]

I just cannot understand the hate towards allardyce it makes no sense to me at all. He's got us solid and productive. If he stays then everything points to there being a very good chance we will progress and get better and better. Ok the football isn't the best ever but it's not awful and we are getting points and winning games. The football will improve with the signing of better players.

I just can't fathom why so many hate allardyce, I'm sure when he first joined and went on that good run there wasn't this level of hate towards him. He's said a couple of questionable things and that's all I can think that people hate, but no-one can question what he's done on the football side.

If he were to carry on which he probably will then there is a much better chance of a good season than if we were to get a total unknown like fonseca. Allardyce has made 2 great signings in walcott and tosun, he will know exactly what else is needed.

People saying things like it's the end of the world if allardyce stays. What on earth has he done to deserve that. Just really think about it for a second, He hasn't done anything wrong. All i can think is that some young fans want some fonseca type who will have us lingering in the bottom half of the table but at least they can tell their Liverpool mates we have an exotic European manager who isn't Sam Allardyce. God knows what the other reason would be.

But some manager who has never managed in the premier league before is not going to have a clue how to break the top 6. Allardyce is best placed. He can get the percentages needed to give us a further edge because it's that difficult to penetrate the top 6 now that we are going to need every edge we can get.

Starting a new project all over again is not the answer, it will much more likely put us back. It will be a gamble of... will he be the rare world class manager like pochettino. Or just another Martinez, Pellegrino, Silva, puel etc. Fonseca has won a league he's expected to win, he doesn't have the credentials and experience of allardyce. Stick with the guy who knows what we need and will get us to where we want to be.

But some manager who has never managed in the premier league before is not going to have a clue how to break the top 6. Allardyce is best placed. He can get the percentages needed to give us a further edge because it's that difficult to penetrate the top 6 now that we are going to need everyedge we can get.

As to the last bit there Jose and Antonio say hello
So does Pep by the way

 

[IllinoisBlue]

That's why we do transfers and get rid of these players and buy good ones

That's how it's supposed to work...lol

 

[devo85]

You have your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it.. we just see things differently.

I still think the idea of Sam as a general manager is a very good one.
There are very few managers who more or less guarantee success and unfortunately as a club we are not able to attract them.
I think we have progressed beyond taking a manager and hoping that he will be a success. Appointing a manager like Fonseca who has absolutely no idea of what the premiership is all about borders on reckless in my opinion ... unless he had a man working with him who knows exactly what is needed.
I have heard Arteta being mentioned, Even Rooney and there will young European coaches who will grow into great managers but we cannot afford to be the toy they practise on in the meantime.

I am suggesting Sam because he is already at the club, costing a lot of money and has the experience we need. I would put Wenger in the same category... managers coming to the end of their career with loads of experience who could act as mentors as a young coach learns about all the other things you need to know apart from coaching.

You are right, we all have varying opinions, but your argument is flawed.

You argue against the recklessness of hiring a foreign manager with no experience of the premiership and then extol the virtues of Wenger because of his experience.

Who had heard of Wenger before Arsenal? Or Pochettino before Southampton? What about the two guys pulling up trees at Wolves and Fulham? There are loads of examples.

Yes it would be reckless to just take a lucky dip or a flavour of the moment person, but if the decision was based on solid research of management style, tactics, personality, project outlook, training etc. together with recommendations from ex players and other coaches you can limit the chances of failure.

The Premier League has moved on. With the top teams playing high press, fast paced technical football, I would argue it would be far more reckless to invest money in a Manager with an outdated style of play who would be highly unlikely to advance the team any further.

 

[ADT]

That's how it's supposed to work...lol

Oh really?

 

[sharkey1001]

Sam is a parasite and he shames our great club everytime he opens his fat, gravy-stained mouth. I don't care if he got us into Europe, he is not Everton and never will be.

Let us not forget about the dodgy-dealings that he got caught doing whilst being England manager. I can guarantee that he definitely has taken transfer bungs in the past, he is a used car salesman who somehow, has made it as a football manager. I repeat, he is a complete parasite and a sore on our club.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Sam is a parasite and he shames our great club everytime he opens his fat, gravy-stained mouth. I don't care if he got us into Europe, he is not Everton and never will be.

Let us not forget about the dodgy-dealings that he got caught doing whilst being England manager. I can guarantee that he definitely has taken transfer bungs in the past, he is a used car salesman who somehow, has made it as a football manager. I repeat, he is a complete parasite and a sore on our club.

This is what annoys me the most, a club supposedly great with principles hiring a crook like this fella.

 

[blueblue]

You are right, we all have varying opinions, but your argument is flawed.

You argue against the recklessness of hiring a foreign manager with no experience of the premiership and then extol the virtues of Wenger because of his experience.

Who had heard of Wenger before Arsenal? Or Pochettino before Southampton? What about the two guys pulling up trees at Wolves and Fulham? There are loads of examples.

Yes it would be reckless to just take a lucky dip or a flavour of the moment person, but if the decision was based on solid research of management style, tactics, personality, project outlook, training etc. together with recommendations from ex players and other coaches you can limit the chances of failure.

The Premier League has moved on. With the top teams playing high press, fast paced technical football, I would argue it would be far more reckless to invest money in a Manager with an outdated style of play who would be highly unlikely to advance the team any further.

 

[Kenshin]

We aint Barcelona. We will lose some away games.

The issue isn't losing them mate it's the way we lose them. Sitting back and holding them for no reason at all is what is wrong with it. Not like we were outplayed by a lot of teama who have beaten us under allardyce. A lot of the time it's because we have just sat back and waited for them to beat us

 

[blueblue]

You are right, we all have varying opinions, but your argument is flawed.

You argue against the recklessness of hiring a foreign manager with no experience of the premiership and then extol the virtues of Wenger because of his experience.

Who had heard of Wenger before Arsenal? Or Pochettino before Southampton? What about the two guys pulling up trees at Wolves and Fulham? There are loads of examples.

Yes it would be reckless to just take a lucky dip or a flavour of the moment person, but if the decision was based on solid research of management style, tactics, personality, project outlook, training etc. together with recommendations from ex players and other coaches you can limit the chances of failure.

The Premier League has moved on. With the top teams playing high press, fast paced technical football, I would argue it would be far more reckless to invest money in a Manager with an outdated style of play who would be highly unlikely to advance the team any further.

Southampton brought in Pellegrine this season and that hasn't worked too well... I am hoping we are gone beyond bringing in a young coach and hoping it succeeds. We are a big club we need to be a appointing a manager that offers more than guesswork.

You use Wenger as an example.. a very good one.. if it wasn't over two decades since he first came.
Pochettino.. great example.. I wish we had him... how many others?

Guardiola, Mourinho,Klopp,Pochettino,Conte, Wenger and Dyche... are the managers of the clubs above us . Of the top six , Wenger apart, every manager was already a big name when appointed.
If Emery agreed to join Everton I would sack Sam this evening but I don't think that will happen.

You mentioned Wenger and Pochettino ... one a long time ago, the other recent.. how many managers have been appointed and failed in between.. hundreds I expect.

Appointing the right manager is incredibly difficult and thinking that a manager will succeed because he plays a particular style of football is suicide. Just as well Mourinho is not doing a job interview with you.

 

[jceverton]

33 points since taking over, his first game being on the 2nd of Dec, 15 games into the season.

33 points in 21 game

That’s an average of 1.57 point a game.

If that Average was to be repeated over a season we would have 59 points.

Pretty much sandwiched between where Chelsea and Arsenal are in 5th and 6th.

Has to be said though the above is based on managing what, I think we would all agrree is another mans poorly recruited team.

We had this rubbish when Moyes used to have a good second half of the season. If only he could replicate this then we would have come runners up etc. We did have a very easy run in the second half of the season. What is the point in keeping anyone on who plays such turgid football and who's record is mediocrity personified.

 

[devo85]

Southampton brought in Pellegrine this season and that hasn't worked too well... I am hoping we are gone beyond bringing in a young coach and hoping it succeeds. We are a big club we need to be a appointing a manager that offers more than guesswork.

You use Wenger as an example.. a very good one.. if it wasn't over two decades since he first came.
Pochettino.. great example.. I wish we had him... how many others?

Guardiola, Mourinho,Klopp,Pochettino,Conte, Wenger and Dyche... are the managers of the clubs above us . Of the top six , Wenger apart, every manager was already a big name when appointed.
If Emery agreed to join Everton I would sack Sam this evening but I don't think that will happen.

You mentioned Wenger and Pochettino ... one a long time ago, the other recent.. how many managers have been appointed and failed in between.. hundreds I expect.

Appointing the right manager is incredibly difficult and thinking that a manager will succeed because he plays a particular style of football is suicide. Just as well Mourinho is not doing a job interview with you.

With that type of approach we should just change our motto to "Nothing but the Average"

 

[Toast]

Sam is a parasite and he shames our great club everytime he opens his fat, gravy-stained mouth. I don't care if he got us into Europe, he is not Everton and never will be.

Let us not forget about the dodgy-dealings that he got caught doing whilst being England manager. I can guarantee that he definitely has taken transfer bungs in the past, he is a used car salesman who somehow, has made it as a football manager. I repeat, he is a complete parasite and a sore on our club.

Sam has Other Operating Costs mate..