Sam Allardyce

[Stuartisitc1878]

if the club had any sense they would state now that Sam Allardyce will leave the club after the final game of the season. The can pretty it up as a mutual decision or whatever they want to but put the fans at ease FFS.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

The season is still going. Have a bit of patience.

You cant blame the board for the fans acting like spoiled children.

Just wait until the end of the season and then a whole new world for Everton full of rainbows and unicorns becomes open.

There would've been unicorns this season if Allardyce hadn't eaten them all!

 

[blueblue]

if the club had any sense they would state now that Sam Allardyce will leave the club after the final game of the season. The can pretty it up as a mutual decision or whatever they want to but put the fans at ease FFS.

I think that may happen, but not yet.
I wonder if Sam will be there for the last home game without saying that he is leaving.

If he has announced his departure I think he will get a nice round of applause from the overwhelming majority.

If not, I don't think it will be so pleasant.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

I think that may happen, but not yet.
I wonder if Sam will be there for the last home game without saying that he is leaving.

If he has announced his departure I think he will get a nice round of applause from the overwhelming majority.

If not, I don't think it will be so pleasant.

that's my thinking. If he's doing a lap of honour to a crowd who don't know if he'll be here next season it will get ugly...... Ian Dowie ugly.

 

[brieverton]

The other thing with this is that the club have to sell the idea of Everton all over again to another manager. We have to somehow convince a manager that we have a style, policy for young players / English talent, our strategy, approach to different competitions and '5 year plan' if there is one - the last 2 seasons will not show up well for a young ambitious manager, or for a seasoned, successful manager

Correct. Though I hope we are a long way down the line with the selling part, to at least a few candidates.

There are three types of categories potential Everton managers fall into;

1. Those that wouldn't entertain the notion for a second.
2. Those that are interested with questions/concerns/reservations.
3. Those that would crawl through crap to come to GP.

I would be naturally suspicious of anyone touting themselves and that would just accept whatever was offered. The "hard yards" have to be put in with anyone falling into the middle category, and I think from there you have the best chance of making a successful appointment.

To get the best manager we can get, we have to stretch ourselves, and the other party will also have to make a leap of faith to a certain degree in our ability to offer a structure and support that allows for improvement and progress, in the context of several years of quite spectacular failure. It certainly isn't all about money - the better candidates are looking at their careers 10-15 years down the line and wondering if a blip or a disaster at Everton is going to harm their CV.

 

[everton1953]

I think that may happen, but not yet.
I wonder if Sam will be there for the last home game without saying that he is leaving.

If he has announced his departure I think he will get a nice round of applause from the overwhelming majority.

If not, I don't think it will be so pleasant.

Unless Sam's departure has been announced in advance, I am not looking forward to the players' after match salute to the fans. Might be best to vacate the ground at the final whistle.

 

[Saint Domingo]

That makes no sense from a business point of view... and this is a business.
The board of Everton and every other club want to be successful , they want trophies.

If what you say was true we probably would still have RM in charge, we would not have paid millions to sack him or paid millions to hire and then fire RK.

Of course, every board will monitor the mood of it's supporters but God help the club that lets it's supporters dictate how the club is run.

No they don’t. They might say they do but actions speak louder. The board has done nothing in the past 20 years to support this view. They’ve regularly sold our best players, they’ve failed to back every manager prior to Koeman properl, they’ve cultivated a culture of mediocrity and reinforced it with absurd managerial appointments, they’ve failed to make any headway commercially despite clubs like West Ham and Newcastle managing better performances even after being relegated in the same period. The only two positive acts the board have done in 20 years have been hiring Moyes and bringing in Moshiri. If they had really wanted to be successful they would have been far more proactive in wanting to improve.

We paid millions to sack RM because fan discontent was so high. His underperformance was leading to negative attention on the board that Moyes has shielded them from. There was also the nagging fear that we’d been close to relegation scraps despite having one of the league’s top scorers in the team. The players had turned against him and his recruitment was poor. If he’d have kept the fans on side and the players we know full well Kenwright wanted to keep him. Back to back bottom half finishes didn’t even register in the boards thinking. Koeman got fired because he would have relegated us.

They have shown time and time again that the ONLY two drivers that influence this board to do anything are the fear of relegation, and high profile fan discontent. If either are not there they do not pursue any course of action to do anything more than aim for premier league safety in the top half.

Hopefully Moshiri changes this bit it seems we are caught currently in a bind of the day to day operation of the club is as inert and reactive as ever and we slump our way into a crisis at which point Moshiri swoops in with erratic decision making to rescue it.

He needs a long term plan to install someone who can make good decisions to incrementally improve us so that Moshiri can focus on the bigger picture around the stadium, commercials, squad investment.

That man is not the imbecile Robert Elstone or any of Kenwright Walsh or Allardyce.

 

[Papa Shango]

No they don’t. They might say they do but actions speak louder. The board has done nothing in the past 20 years to support this view. They’ve regularly sold our best players, they’ve failed to back every manager prior to Koeman properl, they’ve cultivated a culture of mediocrity and reinforced it with absurd managerial appointments, they’ve failed to make any headway commercially despite clubs like West Ham and Newcastle managing better performances even after being relegated in the same period. The only two positive acts the board have done in 20 years have been hiring Moyes and bringing in Moshiri. If they had really wanted to be successful they would have been far more proactive in wanting to improve.

Seriously?

Although Moyes did a decent job here he is responsible as much as anyone for us accepting mediocrity.

And then we hounded out the only one who seemed to want to big us up.

 

[jtl60]

The weird thing about Big Sam, is that we dont play enough long ball!

If he'd just put 2 upfront and hoof it to them occasionally it would be better than what we are currently watching!

 

[Saint Domingo]

Seriously?

Although Moyes did a decent job here he is responsible as much as anyone for us accepting mediocrity.

And then we hounded out the only one who seemed to want to big us up.

In my opinion Moyes did far more than a decent job. Events since he left and the absolute shambles we are in now show that the narrative of ‘Moyes created the glass ceiling’ is a lazy one.

 

[Papa Shango]

In my opinion Moyes did far more than a decent job. Events since he left and the absolute shambles we are in now show that the narrative of ‘Moyes created the glass ceiling’ is a lazy one.

Moyes created his own glass ceiling. He was an alright manager but also a bit of a loser (a career of winning nothing shows that.)

The shambles we have created afterwards does not really effect Moyes in any way other than the fact that he left us with no proper strikers when he left us. (which seems to be the norm now anyway for us...)

 

[Steve Wigan]

The only way he'll stay IMO is if the club can't secure another target, and if Silva is still in the mix, they'll appoint him over another year of Sam I think (in the event Fonseca, others, say no).

What's critical is timing. We need clear answers / commitment from those interested and we need them fast. We may already have gotten a commitment from somebody pending them finishing in their current role to the end of the season, though if such is the case, it would lead me to think that's Fonseca and not Silva, as there is nothing stopping us with him, if both sides want the move.

The only scenario I can countenance in which its better for Allardyce to stay another year rather than leave is if he is still here by the end of May / very early June (even that's very late). We then go into the WC and absolutely cannot repeat the farce of last October/November and be pinning the tail on the donkey in trying to get a new manager.

The board, all of them, will again be shown up for all to see if they make another mess of this.

I think theres a good chance Sam has already been told he's here till Christmas. His job next season will be to lay the groundwork for a new manager. What appeals to Moshiri about Sam is that he does what it says on the tin,and giving SAm the first half at least of next season with a particular brief to steady the ship, get rid of the wasters,etc for the new man to come in is well within SAms capabilities. Sam Allardyce is not a stupid man....he has limits to his management capability at the highest level, but he always does what he's asked to do. His press conferences are meaningless,but then most pressers are meaningless.Its what is said between Mosh and Sam in private that is critical.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

I think theres a good chance Sam has already been told he's here till Christmas. His job next season will be to lay the groundwork for a new manager. What appeals to Moshiri about Sam is that he does what it says on the tin,and giving SAm the first half at least of next season with a particular brief to steady the ship, get rid of the wasters,etc for the new man to come in is well within SAms capabilities. Sam Allardyce is not a stupid man....he has limits to his management capability at the highest level, but he always does what he's asked to do. His press conferences are meaningless,but then most pressers are meaningless.Its what is said between Mosh and Sam in private that is critical.

no

 

[Yarrgh]

I don't think "Terrible Manager, Martinez out" will do the job this time around...

Should have read the original more thoroughly...

just stick a piece of paper with Sam over the Martinez.

Having said that, maybe we might need a Martinez out banner just in case he becomes free after the world cup. Though he might be a better fit if there's money floating around and no need to worry about defence, because frankly why worry if Ash and Jags are in it come the start of the season - how could it be any better/ worse with Flabman and Bobbins in there?

 

[Walken]

I think theres a good chance Sam has already been told he's here till Christmas. His job next season will be to lay the groundwork for a new manager. What appeals to Moshiri about Sam is that he does what it says on the tin,and giving SAm the first half at least of next season with a particular brief to steady the ship, get rid of the wasters,etc for the new man to come in is well within SAms capabilities. Sam Allardyce is not a stupid man....he has limits to his management capability at the highest level, but he always does what he's asked to do. His press conferences are meaningless,but then most pressers are meaningless.Its what is said between Mosh and Sam in private that is critical.

Giving him the job till Xmas specifically makes no sense, we've just seen how hard it is to get the right man in mid season, that's why the fat walrus is currently in the job