Sam Allardyce

[JLW]

The idea that we weren't in a relegation battle is fanciful, we could easily get dragged back in to the morass still. No one saw us humping West Ham 4-0, even the biggest optimists called a narrow win with us conceding at least one goal and the Huddersfield game could have gone either way.
I agree that BFS is a desperation move and that, had we moved more decisively in the immediate aftermath of the moonhead sacking, we could have been bolder with our management choices but this squad with no forwards and no defenders remains at risk.

My point is Allardyce was not needed at this point! March yes, November no! I still believe there’s plenty of quality in our squad, only better by the top 6,yes we have a lot of dross but a decent manager could get us 7th again. I don’t think Allardyce can.

 

[windymiller]

My point is Allardyce was not needed at this point! March yes, November no! I still believe there’s plenty of quality in our squad, only better by the top 6,yes we have a lot of dross but a decent manager could get us 7th again. I don’t think Allardyce can.

I don't disagree with any of that, but we were on a Championship trajectory two weeks ago and something needed to be done.

 

[JLW]

I don't disagree with any of that, but we were on a Championship trajectory two weeks ago and something needed to be done.

Mate I totally agree something needed to be done, just Allardyce was not needed in November! Far too soon to press the panic Button. Anyway he’s here now just want to get his reign out the way, hopefully he can leave us in the summer with a couple of derby wins and a top half finish.

 

[ProZ]

Leave Allardyce alone you bad mings.

I personally think he was needed, we were in a deep hole, starved of confidence playing the worst football in the league. We have had two games at Goodison against other sludge (couldn’t have cherry picked two better games) now apparently it’s a 7th minimum and any manager could achieve it?

No

 

[bluestevon]

Mate I totally agree something needed to be done, just Allardyce was not needed in November! Far too soon to press the panic Button. Anyway he’s here now just want to get his reign out the way, hopefully he can leave us in the summer with a couple of derby wins and a top half finish.

Allardyce mustn't have been able to believe his luck tbh, this squad was always going to have a reaction once we appointed any semi decent manager into the job, much like it received a bounce after we swapped from Martinez to Koeman, the bounce effect was just obfuscated by us having the uncertainty for an age with Unsworth being in temp charge when everyone knew he wasn't getting the permanent job, so it made this situation look on the surface more desperate than it ever truly was.

 

[banno]

My point is Allardyce was not needed at this point! March yes, November no! I still believe there’s plenty of quality in our squad, only better by the top 6,yes we have a lot of dross but a decent manager could get us 7th again. I don’t think Allardyce can.

Yes we have some quality in the squad but playing like a bunch of strangers and without passion. That group of quality players were taking us down with football I have not seen worse in my lifetime (started watching late sixties). Unsworth couldn't stop the rot so it wasn't too early to bring someone else in. It was actually too late. The amount of goals leaked was worrying so Alladyce was probably perfect for us to help us solidify the defence and give us some hope of not conceding to give us a chance of nicking one or two the other end. No good can come of conceding 4's and 5's. Not saying we are out of the mire just yet but starting on the tightening up that defence was first priority.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Leave Allardyce alone you bad mings.

I personally think he was needed, we were in a deep hole, starved of confidence playing the worst football in the league. We have had two games at Goodison against other sludge (couldn’t have cherry picked two better games) now apparently it’s a 7th minimum and any manager could achieve it?

No

Things only look better because we turned over 2 teams at home. 2 teams that in recent weeks made life very difficult for City and United. If we don’t win them then we are in trouble. Because Allardyce comes in and gets 2 ‘easy’ wins apparently he wasn’t needed? Look how we struggled v Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford at home. There was absolutely no evidence to suggest we’d have steamrolled West Ham and Huddersfield playing like we were.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Rhino was in charge v West Ham. They score that pen or the Cresswell cross bar shot goes in, likely they go on and at least get a draw as they were battering us for the first 15 mins of the second half. Possession stat was 19% - 81% after 15 mins, at Goodison. We were struggling. Defence was again all over the place and panic was starting to set in.
Allardyce in charge v Huddersfield. Whilst not a vintage performance the organisation of the team was there for all to see. Prompting and cajoling the players - clear who was in charge.
I am not happy he is manager of Everton but I would be devastated if we went down. That will not happen now and more likely we will finish comfortably top half. This year with BMD so close, we couldn't afford relegation. The step back up from the Championship is an uncertain one, not to mention the ridicule for a club supposedly with designs on the top 4 after a big spend, being relegated.

 

[Bullet]

18 months is a face saver for Allardyce. It wont go beyond the summer, IMO.

Assuming Sam succeeds in his survive and stabilise remit and we come say 8th-13th and he doesn't decide to quit his 'dream job' then what are you suggesting will happen?
Surely not that Moshiri is going to take a completely unnessary hit of another £10m or so to sack Sam and his staff? This would contradict everything you've been saying about him over his tenure thus far. He's the poorest billionaire... etc.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

The idea that we weren't in a relegation battle is fanciful, we could easily get dragged back in to the morass still. No one saw us humping West Ham 4-0, even the biggest optimists called a narrow win with us conceding at least one goal

Spot on.

 

[Toffeelover]

His usual remit at a crisis club is simply to survive. He's been exceptionally good at it. That's why Mosh is paying him £6m.
For us his remit is survive and stabilise. I think he's by far the best candidate for the job and he'll be successful within that remit.
Wish he could have been only contracted until summer though as I think there are better candidates to take a stable club on from there.

If that had been the offer, he would not have signed, unlike Dave, I think he will be here next season unless we give him a big pay off.

 

[Toffeelover]

18 months is a face saver for Allardyce. It wont go beyond the summer, IMO.

...and we didn't need him either. There was no fire-fighting job required here. By the time he took charge we were already a short step from midtable.

If that was the case Dave, then like I said in my other post replying to you, who would have looked at us - no Fonseca, no Silva, no Simeone. Okay if we had been as you think mid table what would we do? Stick with Unsy. All very well making statements but there are times when before doing so need to think of the future.

 

[mkrudden]

18 months is a face saver for Allardyce. It wont go beyond the summer, IMO.

...and we didn't need him either. There was no fire-fighting job required here. By the time he took charge we were already a short step from midtable.

I think the change was needed in order to bring some stability of mindset if nothing else.

I like Unsworth but a lot of his words were empty and almost cliche. Bringing Allardyce brings calmness because, undoubtedly, he secures sides.

Carrying on with Unsworth or bringing in Silva, they bring with them risk. Whilst you can never say never in football, hiring Allardyce is about as secure as you can get.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Assuming Sam succeeds in his survive and stabilise remit and we come say 8th-13th and he doesn't decide to quit his 'dream job' then what are you suggesting will happen?
Surely not that Moshiri is going to take a completely unnessary hit of another £10m or so to sack Sam and his staff? This would contradict everything you've been saying about him over his tenure thus far. He's the poorest billionaire... etc.

If we come 7th to 9th this season and next season don't drop like a stone he will get his full 18 months. The only thing that could stop that is if the fans are in open revolt and while that could have been a possibility to start with, most have fallen in line with the idea of him managing us. (Or at least will put up with it)

Edit: and of course as long someone like Simeone doesn't throw himself at the Mosh's feet during the summer.

 

[Toffeelover]

My point is Allardyce was not needed at this point! March yes, November no! I still believe there’s plenty of quality in our squad, only better by the top 6,yes we have a lot of dross but a decent manager could get us 7th again. I don’t think Allardyce can.

So if Sam was not needed, what should we have done until March?

Too many folk make statements but do not think them through.