Current Affairs Sadiq Khan......London Mayor.....

[Jebus_lives]

I didn't think Sadiq Khan was in favour of another runway at Heathrow.

The whole thread yesterday seems to be a discussion about air pollution from Planes vs Cars (and even coal power) but it seems largely a pointless thing to debate given the opposition from the same man applied across both air pollution caused by cars and the air pollution caused by an expansion of Heathrow.

Am I missing something? Has his position changed?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I agree, they should have banned them.

Along with a means test compensation scheme to reimburse those affected, can't see a problem with a ban if it were to fully reimburse to partial depending on means. However, ban from London or country wide? Because as it stands it's just passing the problem on to others, said vehicles will be sold to other parts of the country, too pollute!

 

[Jebus_lives]

Scrappage schemes

The Mayor of London has implemented a range of schemes to help drivers in London scrap their older, more polluting vehicles to meet required emissions standards.

tfl.gov.uk

That’s pretty much exactly what’s happening, especially for small businesses. Most vans etc aren’t owned outright anyway, so for most companies it’s a case of altering whatever lease deal they are on. The end game is clearly a push towards electric but that’s no bad thing.

The claim from businesses is that the scrappage scheme does not adequately cover the value of the vehicle, which may only be a few years old. What I had heard, and I'll admit I haven't looked at the scheme in any great detail, is that it only compensates to the value of £3000 whereas the actual cost of the vehicle might be much higher. Now you could sell it, but it would effectively just be moving the problem along.

I went to a TED talk a few years ago and it was about start up businesses and small businesses ability to operate in changing environments and one of the key messages within that was 'engage with regulators and observe the direction of travel to stay ahead of it' it also talked about smart 'modes' of logistics so using the most effective, but also the most carbon efficient methods of moving things or people.

The general consensus was, cars are not always the best option, despite what you might think, it's mostly just convenient for you and try to proactively work with regulators to enact change or at least stay ahead of it, rather than moaning when things are 'done to you'

 

[zzr45]

The claim from businesses is that the scrappage scheme does not adequately cover the value of the vehicle, which may only be a few years old. What I had heard, and I'll admit I haven't looked at the scheme in any great detail, is that it only compensates to the value of £3000 whereas the actual cost of the vehicle might be much higher. Now you could sell it, but it would effectively just be moving the problem along.

I went to a TED talk a few years ago and it was about start up businesses and small businesses ability to operate in changing environments and one of the key messages within that was 'engage with regulators and observe the direction of travel to stay ahead of it' it also talked about smart 'modes' of logistics so using the most effective, but also the most carbon efficient methods of moving things or people.

The general consensus was, cars are not always the best option, despite what you might think, it's mostly just convenient for you and try to proactively work with regulators to enact change or at least stay ahead of it, rather than moaning when things are 'done to you'

It is on the low side, but as you say it’s the companies that haven’t kept up which will be most affected by this.

As you might have gathered I have a vested interest in this as the company I work for operates in the commercial vehicle sector. There are a few older Euro 5 trucks that are being sold as second hand units, but these are now largely being sold to companies that are doing dock runs. Any company that is smart that goes into a city has already changed their fleet to E6 - plenty of other cities are ready to implement similar schemes and will probably pull the trigger if it shows that emissions are being cut.

Honestly I’d reckon that within 10-15 years the vast majority of commercial vehicles will be electric. The problem is that HGVs that do the bulk of the haulage can’t be adequately converted to electric due to the current batteries being too small. Once that problem has been solved Diesel HGVs will disappear rapidly. Until then more companies will develop distribution centres that vans can be run from which can be serviced by HGVs. That’s what MAN have suggested and explains their move into the van market.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It is on the low side, but as you say it’s the companies that haven’t kept up which will be most affected by this.

As you might have gathered I have a vested interest in this as the company I work for operates in the commercial vehicle sector. There are a few older Euro 5 trucks that are being sold as second hand units, but these are now largely being sold to companies that are doing dock runs. Any company that is smart that goes into a city has already changed their fleet to E6 - plenty of other cities are ready to implement similar schemes and will probably pull the trigger if it shows that emissions are being cut.

Honestly I’d reckon that within 10-15 years the vast majority of commercial vehicles will be electric. The problem is that HGVs that do the bulk of the haulage can’t be adequately converted to electric due to the current batteries being too small. Once that problem has been solved Diesel HGVs will disappear rapidly. Until then more companies will develop distribution centres that vans can be run from which can be serviced by HGVs. That’s what MAN have suggested and explains their move into the van market.

On this point, I find it a bit perverse that there is a certain sector of the country that champion British innovation and 'leading the way in the world' who absolutely hate the notion of Britain leading the way in respect to Green policy and progressive politics.