Ross Barkley

[Simon baker]

Remind me never to watch this MOTD2 again. Another ex RS.... Hamann this time saying twice that RB needs to move to another club to fulfil his potential. We get a dishonourable mention in dispatches too as we are "nasty" to him and blame him when things go wrong. Oh and its legit to compare RB to Coutinho as theyre the same age but hes miles behind him. Oh and when Chapman questioned Jonathan Northcott why he called Ross our Steven Gerrard, he said Evertonians have always said that. Oh and.....kicks screen in.

Countinho is 18 months older these hoops wind me up

 

[kenada_blue]

Remind me never to watch this MOTD2 again. Another ex RS.... Hamann this time saying twice that RB needs to move to another club to fulfil his potential. We get a dishonourable mention in dispatches too as we are "nasty" to him and blame him when things go wrong. Oh and its legit to compare RB to Coutinho as theyre the same age but hes miles behind him. Oh and when Chapman questioned Jonathan Northcott why he called Ross our Steven Gerrard, he said Evertonians have always said that. Oh and.....kicks screen in.

I like the fact they don't bother mentioning how absolutely shocking youth development is in England, so comparing a Brazilian who developed in Italy and Spain to a lad from Bootle is a little thin on the ground.

 

[kenada_blue]

I'm not surprised he's on massive tit who is going down the "controversial" speaking route to try and make a name for himself, but he's coming across like a deluded bitter bell

But it's true though. Perfect TV punditry to have one of the most deadly striker partnerships in the premiership join forces and talk football.

Hasn't happened because they probably hate each other. And after you hear Sutton's whiney smug Alan Partridge brand of punditry, you can see why

 

[Tel001]

Have you noticed they've never put Sutton and Shearer in the same room to cover a game?

Probably because Shearer cant stand the chunt

Apparently shagged shearers mrs at Blackburn... shearer made them put him in the reserves and not sell him or said he would walk

 

[Tubey]

He was as bad as he possibly could have been.

In many minds, that performance is going to wipe out months of progress and commanding performances, because he's not doing it when it matters.

I'm a fan of his, but that's the sad truth. It's no good going on a run of form when the season is already dead, then totally bottling the job the moment a bit of meaning is attached to a game.

 

[Simon baker]

He was as bad as he possibly could have been.

In many minds, that performance is going to wipe out months of progress and commanding performances, because he's not doing it when it matters.

I'm a fan of his, but that's the sad truth. It's no good going on a run of form when the season is already dead, then totally bottling the job the moment a bit of meaning is attached to a game.

That's Everton you are describing and there is a famous saying "you are a product of your environment".
perhaps he can change as the club does.

 

[Tubey]

That's Everton you are describing and there is a famous saying you are a product of your environment so perhaps if he can change as the club does.

Quite possibly, but I don't think Everton is what makes him absolutely braindead in certain games.

If he's potentially world class, he should be grabbing games like that by the scruff of the neck or at the very least performing better than most in the team - not being the actual weakest link in the whole team.

Lukaku is also at Everton - he at least has scored goals against the RS in the past. Barkley has done absolutely nothing whatsoever in any derby.

As said, I'm a fan, I think he's a very good footballer - but I'm also now thinking that he's a flat track bully who can only do it in games he is expected to do it. That's not good enough for his raw talent.

 

[Simon baker]

Quite possibly, but I don't think Everton is what makes him absolutely braindead in certain games.

If he's potentially world class, he should be grabbing games like that by the scruff of the neck or at the very least performing better than most in the team - not being the actual weakest link in the whole team.

Lukaku is also at Everton - he at least has scored goals against the RS in the past. Barkley has done absolutely nothing whatsoever in any derby.

As said, I'm a fan, I think he's a very good footballer - but I'm also now thinking that he's a flat track bully who can only do it in games he is expected to do it. That's not good enough for his raw talent.

Man of the match in the 3-3 at goodison by a mile ran the game

 

[Simon baker]

Quite possibly, but I don't think Everton is what makes him absolutely braindead in certain games.

If he's potentially world class, he should be grabbing games like that by the scruff of the neck or at the very least performing better than most in the team - not being the actual weakest link in the whole team.

Lukaku is also at Everton - he at least has scored goals against the RS in the past. Barkley has done absolutely nothing whatsoever in any derby.

As said, I'm a fan, I think he's a very good footballer - but I'm also now thinking that he's a flat track bully who can only do it in games he is expected to do it. That's not good enough for his raw talent.

Listen we asked for consistency he has made a start early days but 3 months isnt to be sniffed at.

Flat track is simply not true he has had plenty of fantastic games against better teams.

Arsenal multiple times particlaulry the 1-1 away from home Thierry Henry spent the whole post game review praising him.

City many times home leg semi final, league game this year, the goodison game when he scored the worldy, the away leg semi another fanatastic goal.

Chelsea away last season he was top class Mikel & matic had no answer particlaulry in the first half.

Spurs away this season if anything his best performances have usually come against then better teams as he has more space.

 

[ToffeeTim]

He needs to sort his head out. Managers can only do so much, he needs to ask himself why he bottles it in big games.

 

[Simon baker]

He needs to sort his head out. Managers can only do so much, he needs to ask himself why he bottles it in big games.

Ross Barkley isn't Everton's problem Everton are Ross's problem seriously when is the last time we won a big game.

 

[Simon baker]

seriously we need to get behind him it's a joke. It's bordering on we will give the NHS the £350 million saved from the Eu brexit lie

 

[MasonLeeEFC]

Come on. Cahill was what, mid 20s when he joined us and only got to double figures once in the league. Alli is 20 and has done this in both of his seasons. He has 17/18 goals in all competitions this season, I might be wrong but Cahill never got this amount.

Alli is an incredible talent. If ball retention is his biggest problem...well...

Alli as more to his game than just goals. He can play also, he can do the intricate stuff in and around the box, do link play and give and goes, pick a pass and he's an intelligent player with really good movement.

Look at his goal he got against us, now would Barkley ever do something like that, think quick and make the run between CB & FB to flick the ball in? Not a chance! I just don't believe Barkley as that thought process or speed of thought.

Another thing aswell with Barkley when he plays at No.10 or wide right, in those forward positions, do you ever see him make unselfish runs, third man runs to pull defenders away to open up space for others, just like Coutinho did for Mane's goal yesterday? I can honestly say he doesn't. But, a lot of our players don't either but Barkley playing in the roles he does should do more of that.

Btw this post isn't me having a dig at you pal, I'm just carrying on from your posts that's all and making some points.

 

[ToffeeTim]

He never runs in behind. I don't understand why not. It's a basic of football to stretch the game and create space.

 

[MasonLeeEFC]

Taken from Andy Walker (Toffeweb discussion)

'An extra special mention for Barkley. I don't think in over 40 years of watching the blues I have ever seen a more frustrating, infuriating, annoying, exasperating, player. Time and time again he gets himself into a good position but then he'll either miscontrol the ball, or instead of playing a quick, incisive, often OBVIOUS pass, he'll stop, turn, turn again, turn back, wait for the opportunity to pass, then loose the ball. He plays like he's the best player in the school on the playground, or an adult playing with the kids saying try and get the ball off me. Thing is Ross, your playing with similarly talented players and they will take the ball off you and do it all the time.'

Could not of worded that better myself! That is exactly how I see Barkley and Tbf I have actually said similar things on toffeeweb myself. To me, that is how he plays and vs the "lesser" teams he more often than not gets away with it and does look to play well but against better teams/players they don't give you that time and hound you and usually force Barkley into mistakes.

Thing is aswell, he's been playing in that similar manner ever since breaking into the first team and doesn't seem to be refining his game. Now if he worked on doing the simple things more often in certain areas of the pitch, and now and again trying the spectacular and incisive stuff in the right areas of the pitch then he could potentially progress into a very good player!

Like Koeman says, he doesn't want Barkley coming deep and taking half a dozen touches in his own half, cos deep down he knows he can be a bit of a liability and make mistakes and lose the ball in dangerous areas. He wants Barkley further forward, getting on the ball in the hole behind Rom and making things happen there and trying tricks, through balls and shots in and around the oppositions penalty area where if it doesn't come off, were still in good positions to recover from that and go again as apposed to him trying stuff in our own half or on the edge of our area where if he loses it we might get punished!