davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Ha ha. School him goat.
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bazzer25
Player Valuation: £8m
Crikey Ross is off form, that's obvious, but now their calling him a girl.
Fans are fickle beings. I for one hope he comes through and goes on to fulfil all his potential.
applecrumble
Player Valuation: £10m
He has played better the last couple of games, I'd like to see him shooting from distance more.
bazzer25
Player Valuation: £8m
I think most Everton fans do. What annoys me more is people who somehow think Everton fans don't want Ross to succeed, that's strange...
I hope people understand the difference between slating him (wrong) and him perhaps maybe potentially (hopefully not) not being good enough.I think most Everton fans do. What annoys me more is people who somehow think Everton fans don't want Ross to succeed, that's strange...
He may just be off form.
loath to sell is the phrase you want
I personally dont really mind if he doesnt kick on too much, although hopefully he does. He is a toffee who wants to play for and help his team. when one of these managers and the responsible people above can actually get a decent squad together, lose the average players and buy a bloody playmaker we will see a decent Everton. Decent Everton means confident Everton and also means the dumb fans stop slating players at the game and booing. Good times basically.
Ross, playing at his current level or even at the level of 4 years ago would have plenty to offer that kind of Everton. At times a great sub option, at others first choice when in form and linking with a good solid team of good players.
What he isnt, is the confident and tough club man who will drag his team through crap spells and rise above the cry arses in the crowd.
Some fans dont care about having a blue play for the club. Some fans seem to be interested in what money we can get for a player, therefore bang on about sell him if a big offer comes in. Dont get that myself. I personally, and I think many other fans would be the same, LOVE having a toffee playing and sometimes playing excellently for the club. Having 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 million extra for the club to maybe possibly reinvest doesnt interest me in the slightest.
Abraders
Player Valuation: £60m
It's because he's never on blob and we're still talking about performances he made years ago! Needs to improve right now.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I don't know why Barkley gets the brunt of the stick if we don't win. In the last three games we've failed to do so because a GK that would be warming the bench at any other PL looking to get into Europe has been woeful; players like Mirallas and Barry have been anonymous; and massive money signings more often than not disappear up their own arse with the ball.
Barkley is 23 and an established England player. We're having these conversations because the manager has chosen to make him in particular the focus of his criticism...why I don't know...although I suspect it's because he knows RB is a quiet lad and Koeman doesn't have the mettle to take on one of the senior pros to make an example out of.
Nil Satis Niasse Optimum
Player Valuation: £20m
He's crap.
I get the stick, I really do - but it's a problem with your view of the game rather than him.
Yes, he doesn't defend, he doesn't track runners well and at times he looks stationary - but that is his role. He's a playmaker.
Just like Lukaku, the fault largely lies with the rest of the team and how we set up to play. There's a break between midfield and attack because Lukaku is used as a target man and he can't do it, and Barkley is used as a box to box when he can't do it, so the two holding players (specifically when McCarthy played) were constantly too deep and the full backs simply don't bomb on as often as required, because they're conscious of being caught in behind if Lukaku loses the ball in advanced areas.
So the issue isn't the individual players; it's how we're telling those players to play. I give Lukaku a lot of stick for not adapting his game, so as said I really do understand why people look at Barkley and think he's not pulling a shift - but it really isn't their fault. If we'd have brought in the right players to play Koeman's game in the summer, we'd be a different proposition. As it stands, at least until January, we have to accept we have square pegs in round holes right now - Koeman inherited a horribly imbalanced squad from the balloon Martinez, and Gueye aside that hasn't been addressed, and it's no fault of his that it hasn't been.
Yes, he doesn't defend, he doesn't track runners well and at times he looks stationary - but that is his role. He's a playmaker.
Just like Lukaku, the fault largely lies with the rest of the team and how we set up to play. There's a break between midfield and attack because Lukaku is used as a target man and he can't do it, and Barkley is used as a box to box when he can't do it, so the two holding players (specifically when McCarthy played) were constantly too deep and the full backs simply don't bomb on as often as required, because they're conscious of being caught in behind if Lukaku loses the ball in advanced areas.
So the issue isn't the individual players; it's how we're telling those players to play. I give Lukaku a lot of stick for not adapting his game, so as said I really do understand why people look at Barkley and think he's not pulling a shift - but it really isn't their fault. If we'd have brought in the right players to play Koeman's game in the summer, we'd be a different proposition. As it stands, at least until January, we have to accept we have square pegs in round holes right now - Koeman inherited a horribly imbalanced squad from the balloon Martinez, and Gueye aside that hasn't been addressed, and it's no fault of his that it hasn't been.
Abraders
Player Valuation: £60m
In all fairness I've been making noises about Ross being under-par for a long long time. So koemans words didnt really affect mt opinion. However it's all down to the expectation level Ross himself gave us.
Ross is meant to be our main man behind lukaku, but he isn't showing what he can do imo. Not only that, it feels like a very very long time since he even showed us a glimpse of what he's capable of.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Yet another dig at Koeman. Barkley was getting stick way before Koeman was even here. So that's an inaccurate assessment.
MartyMcFly
Player Valuation: £15m
You said it yourself. The reason Martinez's team didn't work was because he wanted to push the fullbacks up and that left Barry and McCarthy with too much to do because Barkley and Lukaku don't like to defend. That makes them both a luxury.
This season it looked like Gueye had solved the problem but against half way decent sides it's too much.
However while Rom was one of the top scorers Barkley's offensive stats were only average for someone in his position.
In the end it meant Martinez having to play Cleverly on the "wing" to do his defensive duty meaning we could only play one winger.
And Koeman looks to be repeating the same mistake.
I want Barkley to be boss and go on to be amazing too but I want Everton to do well more and unless he improves defensively I just can't see both happening.
The only other option is to play Gueye and McCarthy but that means losing Barry.
If we just stop the fullbacks pushing on then it makes us impotent going forward.
Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
Simply some of our Playstation fans want foreign signings who sign for big money.
A Wavertree lad who has worked himself into the first team for some reason doesn't come with the same kudos for some fans, so with that they use him as the proverbial sacrificial lamb
I reckon some of our players will be over the moon, as he mustvtakecsome of the pressure of them.
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