Ross Barkley

[Nil Satis Niasse Optimum]

So where's the confidence (that a team usually gets as a collective) now Koeman's here?

It's not all about confidence. He (Barkley) looks lost because he's only half aware - not because of any confidence issue. Confidence would mean he passed the ball safe every time to escape the ire of the fans if he got it wrong. He underhit several passes last night, and still ran at into opp. players (as he usually does).

He even ran into one of his own players...But he had the 'confidence' to do that.

It's largely because (imo) he's absolutely thick and has no awareness of his surroundings. Not meaning to sound rude or offensive, but I just don't think the lad is very intelligent. Now compare him to Rodwell, who ironically his career is probably going to go down the same path, he WAS intelligent and was merely ruined by injury after injury.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I think some our "fans" need a sports psychologist after hurling abuse at Barkley from the first minute and then applauding a goal by the opposition. Greatest fans in the world?

I thought it was a nice touch for Naismith but I agree 100% with the abuse directed at Barkley however it is what it is and Barkley needs to block it out.

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

2 years of Martinez has completely shot his confidence

He'll come good

We are 2nd in the league so there really should be no excuse in regards to going on the field with confidence.

 

[MartyMcFly]

But that's the thing he gets the chances but can't score them, countless times has he been put through on goal and just fluffed his lines. I'd say he was easily the worst player last night.

He didn't miss countless chances. None of his chances were sitters and watch teams like Man City etc their forwards miss chances as well. I'm more worried when players aren't even getting into positions to get chances or create chances.

Deulofeu's end product this season has been poor but he isn't giving the ball away cheaply and is working hard defensively. The two major complaints I had of him so I can see improvement in those areas. Deulofeu's link up play in the final 3rd is far better than Barkley's at this moment in time.

 

[Baines' left foot]

I think he needs to leave and go to a team where the fans appreciate proper footballers. Here it seems you only get a bit of praise if you make a tackle and run about loads. He'd thrive at Man City under Pep.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

It's largely because (imo) he's absolutely thick and has no awareness of his surroundings. Not meaning to sound rude or offensive, but I just don't think the lad is very intelligent. Now compare him to Rodwell, who ironically his career is probably going to go down the same path, he WAS intelligent and was merely ruined by injury after injury.

The semi vs untied convinced me there was something lacking. I'd have thought before then that it could be something drilled into him to put a player under pressure, but he just let them breeze past him. When koeman arrived I'd have thought he'd have ironed it out; but it appears inherent. Barkley does not know where to position himself for a rebound or a loose ball or where an opp. player's going to go.

It's a basic, and he STILL hasn't grasped it. He's too set in his ways. He's become so predictable while remaining unpredictable.

You KNOW when he's gonna attempt a turn; you KNOW when he runs at the opp. he's gonna get too close, or show too much of the ball, and you KNOW when he's clear he'll either want the extra touch, or he'll spend all day deciding whether to shoot or pass.

I'm afraid we're very close to seeing the finished article when it comes to him.

 

[Mountfield1985]

He had a poor game game, like every single other player out there.

It is beyond bizarre that if Barkley doesn't smash one in from 40 yards, that people are diving on here to make sweeping statements about his intelligence or mental health.

And as for the "He's not gonna make it" brigade - He's already made it. He's a full international and a good premier league player. Has the potential to do a lot more with his talent, and let's hope the management can start to get that out of him. But in the mean time, let's try and keep some perspective.

 

[Stan Lee Park]

He had a poor game game, like every single other player out there.

It is beyond bizarre that if Barkley doesn't smash one in from 40 yards, that people are diving on here to make sweeping statements about his intelligence or mental health.

And as for the "He's not gonna make it" brigade - He's already made it. He's a full international and a good premier league player. Has the potential to do a lot more with his talent, and let's hope the management can start to get that out of him. But in the mean time, let's try and keep some perspective.

Far too sensible a reply mate. You've got no future on this site.

 

[TraffordBlue]

I think he needs to leave and go to a team where the fans appreciate proper footballers. Here it seems you only get a bit of praise if you make a tackle and run about loads. He'd thrive at Man City under Pep.

Even that's not true though as players who were limited on the ball like Hibbert and McCarthy get slaughtered for not having Barkley like qualities going forward.

What a lot of our fans don't realise is that each player has their own strengths and they can't be good in every area.

 

[GerryandthePaceMerchants]

IMO he's had his head turned. He was convinced to stay on the basis of world class players coming in to help his development but instead we sold the best young English defender in a generation and bought a few decentish signings.

Shame because if he continues like this we'll know 10m off his pricetag.

 

[welshtoffee]

The abuse he was receiving from a section in the parkend was unbelievable. From the very 1st minute they started and it gradually got worse and worse. I realise Ross had a very poor game last night but there was no need for the crap he was receiving from the section of so called supporters.

 

[TraffordBlue]

It's largely because (imo) he's absolutely thick and has no awareness of his surroundings. Not meaning to sound rude or offensive, but I just don't think the lad is very intelligent. Now compare him to Rodwell, who ironically his career is probably going to go down the same path, he WAS intelligent and was merely ruined by injury after injury.

You keep doing this, and it's a ridiculous comparison in my opinion. Barkley did more in his first season than Rodwell has done in his whole career.

As someone else said, he already has "made it". You can't score the goals Barkley has (Norwich away with his left foot, Newcastle away, City at home) and turn out to be a poor player. He's played quite a few games for England, he put in a very good spell of about 3 months at the start of last season. Rodwell hasn't and won't do any of those things.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

He had a poor game game, like every single other player out there.

It is beyond bizarre that if Barkley doesn't smash one in from 40 yards, that people are diving on here to make sweeping statements about his intelligence or mental health.

And as for the "He's not gonna make it" brigade - He's already made it. He's a full international and a good premier league player. Has the potential to do a lot more with his talent, and let's hope the management can start to get that out of him. But in the mean time, let's try and keep some perspective.

If this is aimed at me, I'd like you to point out to me where I said 'He'll never make it' ?

That's right - I didn't. What I'm saying is there is very little where he's gonna improve. This is his third manager now (Not including his loan spells) and all the foibles and flaws are still very much evident. He was only given a reminder at sunderland, and had an average game inbetween (That seemed to convince some he was learning) which was followed by last night's showing...Make of that what you will.


Yes - he CAN be magnificent, but those instances are too sporadic for him to be considered as a great player.

We've seen it all too often in the past. While I don't agree with the vitriol (I haven't heard exactly what was being shouted, but I can guess) there is more of a case for it to be borne of frustration and a legitimate concern of history repeating, than for it to be on any personal hatred note.

 

[sheedys left foot]

In sure we all agree that we've made a good start to the season, last night being an exception. With that in mind and given the relatively poor level of opposition you'd expect your "number 10" to have had plenty of freedom and space to create.

Well here's the stats on Barkley

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/92547

No through balls, no crosses and one assist in 5 league games for a team that's won 4 and drew 1 is just not good enough.

 

[Mountfield1985]

If this is aimed at me, I'd like you to point out to me where I said 'He'll never make it' ?

That's right - I didn't. What I'm saying is there is very little where he's gonna improve. This is his third manager now (Not including his loan spells) and all the foibles and flaws are still very much evident. He was only given a reminder at sunderland, and had an average game inbetween (That seemed to convince some he was learning) which was followed by last night's showing...Make of that what you will.


Yes - he CAN be magnificent, but those instances are too sporadic for him to be considered as a great player.

We've seen it all too often in the past. While I don't agree with the vitriol (I haven't heard exactly what was being shouted, but I can guess) there is more of a case for it to be borne of frustration and a legitimate concern of history repeating, than for it to be on any personal hatred note.

If it was aimed at you, i'd have quoted your post. Relax. I'm speaking generally after reading many daft comments on here.

But if you're genuinely saying that Barkley has hit his ceiling and can't improve any more, then yeah you're getting filed in the daft section and all.