Ronald Koeman discussion

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Dont get me wrong me wrong mate, i think we are currently gash and utterly horrible to watch,i just dont blame Koeman for it.

Koeman is a convenient scapegoat. i know and i understand.

My issue is more structural i utterly blame the club.

You'll be pleasantly surprise if a new manager comes in and make us fun to watch again with exactly the same squad. Well not suddenly turning us into a world class team, but I'm fairly sure much better than we are now.
 

Absolutely fair. I do feel however that if he was young, British and had massive eyebrows that had a symbiotic relationship with his forehead he would get more of a chance
Actually like him as a player, we're set up wrong from the start and playing to not even one of our forward players' strength so it doesn't matter. Unless he was Messi - he's not gonna look great right now.
 
Dont get me wrong me wrong mate, i think we are currently gash and utterly horrible to watch,i just dont blame Koeman for it.

Koeman is a convenient scapegoat. i know and i understand.

My issue is more structural i utterly blame the club.

Surely he has to play some part in this? How can you call him a "scapegoat?" Watch his interviews, the team are playing like he comes across, uninspiring, boring and lacklustre.

I am pretty sure that as an employee you feed off the person giving you the instructions.

To absolve him from blame totally is absolutely nuts.
 
1) His managerial history
2) Taking a historically lower table club up the league and into Europe in his PL season.
3) Taking over over a basket case Everton side, that floundered under Martinez and attaining the goal of European football.
4) Making us competitive last season with a limited squad, basically the same squad that floundered the year before.
5) The development of younger players i.e Davies, Holgate, DCL.
6) He is a very good tactician.

I dont blame him for our current results to be honest, there isnt a manger in the world who could set us up any better, the problem isnt the manager the problem is the club made a mess of the window and we dont have a striker.

No point blaming the captain who is trying to navigate a ship that was given to him with a hole in the bottom.

I back him wholly hes been given the faeces end of the stick by the club.
You counter your own point with remarkable speed there mate.

If our only problem is not having a (good) striker, Koeman being a very good tactician should solve that with ease shouldn't it? I mean, we certainly shouldn't find ourselves losing a lot of games just because we lack a genuine goal threat. We might struggle to score many, and therefore win, but a tactical genius could surely work out a way in which we could battle to a few 1-0 wins and if not then shut up shop and keep getting points with 0-0 or 1-1s. Our 'very good tactician', however, has managed to oversee 3 and 4 goal hammerings.

It's also odd for a very good tactician to fail to gain a single away PL win in 10 months and counting. We undoubtedly have better players than Brighton - even up front - so if our tactics are so good, why can't we beat them?

I honestly believe any idiot could have improved us last season. Martinez was sacked for a reason, because it was obvious that he wasn't doing well enough with what was available to him. Taking us 4 places higher in the league gets him a bit of credit, but is absolutely not a reason to hail him as an excellent manager. We can also expand on that to say that Martinez at least took us to 5th in his season before things went south, it is looking increasingly as if the dizzy heights of 7th will be the high point of Koeman's tenure. Knight him, I say.
 

Doesn't have the credentials to suggest he'll turn it around.

May 2016;

Neither.

De Boer would be a shot in the dark.

Koeman has done decent at Southampton. Big thrill? Prior that what did he do at Valencia, Benfica and the rest? Football nomad and flavour of the month like Laudrup/Swansea was after Moyes left.

Still maintain this.

I always felt his stint at Benfica/Valencia was more significant than riding on the back of Pochettino at Southampton.
 
Doesn't have the credentials to suggest he'll turn it around.

May 2016;



Still maintain this.

I always felt his stint at Benfica/Valencia was more significant than riding on the back of Pochettino at Southampton.

To be fair, he had the side Pochettino built sold from under him and actually finished 6th in his second season.

He also took over a really poorly run Everton side and finished 7th in his first season.

I don't think his PL credentials are really that questionable when you look at the facts. However, what is happening now has an air of "Martinez" written all over it. We are massively under performing, the players look devoid of anything and there is a sense of failure in everybody, which will be hard to turn around, especially with his charisma!
 
You counter your own point with remarkable speed there mate.

If our only problem is not having a (good) striker, Koeman being a very good tactician should solve that with ease shouldn't it? I mean, we certainly shouldn't find ourselves losing a lot of games just because we lack a genuine goal threat. We might struggle to score many, and therefore win, but a tactical genius could surely work out a way in which we could battle to a few 1-0 wins and if not then shut up shop and keep getting points with 0-0 or 1-1s. Our 'very good tactician', however, has managed to oversee 3 and 4 goal hammerings.

It's also odd for a very good tactician to fail to gain a single away PL win in 10 months and counting. We undoubtedly have better players than Brighton - even up front - so if our tactics are so good, why can't we beat them?

I honestly believe any idiot could have improved us last season. Martinez was sacked for a reason, because it was obvious that he wasn't doing well enough with what was available to him. Taking us 4 places higher in the league gets him a bit of credit, but is absolutely not a reason to hail him as an excellent manager. We can also expand on that to say that Martinez at least took us to 5th in his season before things went south, it is looking increasingly as if the dizzy heights of 7th will be the high point of Koeman's tenure. Knight him, I say.

Its hard to make an engine go without a battery mate.
 
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Surely he has to play some part in this? How can you call him a "scapegoat?" Watch his interviews, the team are playing like he comes across, uninspiring, boring and lacklustre.

I am pretty sure that as an employee you feed off the person giving you the instructions.

To absolve him from blame totally is absolutely nuts.

I think we look and play exactly what we are a very good team without a striker.

The team arent idiots they know they have no cutting edge, or someone who is going to slot if its teed up. Because of that the confidence has drained from them.

Look at the performance VS City and look at how the confidence has drained game on game, its not top secret the players will be ore acutely aware of it then anyone. The manager can do so much to motivate the team, but if there is awareness that the underlying issue is structural and cant be fixed for a few months, then your confidence isnt going to grow.

On reflection of anything, someone can always do better, but do i think that he has disimporved as manager when everyone was delighted him last year to now, no i dont.

Do i think we would be getting better results with a striker yes i do.

Who i do blame for this, the club.
 

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