Ronald Koeman discussion

davek · September 21, 2016

Darth Toffeeman said:
For me this season is all about a top 4 finish, ideally winning the whole thing, and getting confirmation of a state of the art waterfront stadium.

No more treading water.

...and world peace.

roydo · September 21, 2016

davek said:
...and world peace.

Would need a few bans for that Dave.

@bizzaro

Lowste · September 21, 2016

Whistlin' Dixie said:
What did the FL cup achieve for tottenham that 4th place and CL qualification didn't surpass exponentially?

What did the FAC do for Wigan?

What did the FLC do for Blagburn? Swansea? When did they kick on after winning them?

Put silverware in the cabinet
Good starting point for me

Jebus_lives · September 21, 2016

davek said:
A cup win should be viewed as a stand alone event, not an enabler. I dont care about that. We need trophies as a club of standing in the game to remain a club of standing.

And consistency in the PL: for what exactly? What does that achieve? We know what because we've been there and seen it - it gets you nothing. We have a backer now, so no need to attract one in as long as he makes good on his promises. We're not getting a shiek or oligarch. So what's the purpose of hitting top 6/7 time after time?

Wigan win a cup under Martinez. It did nothing to improve their standing as a club. Its about consistent league position and challenging for Europe. That's the mark of a club of standing in modern era.

davek · September 21, 2016

whiteshadow said:
71.4 is the average points to make Champs League over the last five years. 76-80 is way above the average.

...to be consistently in a CL spot and comfortable in that group of teams they are the numbers: 76-80 points.

Yes, it can be done with less.

Whistlin' Dixie · September 21, 2016

Lowste said:
Put silverware in the cabinet
Good starting point for me

For that season - and that season alone.

Sure - a cup win'd be great. But not a one off with the same mid-table mediocrity (Or worse - like the teams mentioned)

It's about finances and revenues these days, whether we like it or not. CL's where the dough's at. Dough brings sustainable/sustained, along with greater chances and greater degrees of success.

davek · September 21, 2016

JEBUS_LIVES said:
Wigan win a cup under Martinez. It did nothing to improve their standing as a club. Its about consistent league position and challenging for Europe. That's the mark of a club of standing in modern era.

It put that town on the map. All they were known for before that was pea wet and scraps chip dinners.

Jebus_lives · September 21, 2016

davek said:
It put that town on the map. All they were known for before that was pea wet and scraps chip dinners.

They are still known for that and as the club that won the FA cup then got relegated. Its done nothing for Wigan. In fact, the relegation was talked about more by the media than the win, as it was felt they should've prioritised the league.

Ballyfermot · September 21, 2016

What's this if we lose a few players we are screwed nonsense. Can we not just lose a game of football and move on. We picked a completely new team, so did Norwich it was a freak result. Let's move on.

COYB

roydo · September 21, 2016

davek said:
...to be consistently in a CL spot and comfortable in that group of teams they are the numbers: 76-80 points.

Yes, it can be done with less.

Weird though, thinking about it.

Already this season, (yeah 5 games etc etc), but United look bang average. Chelsea too. Spurs have been ok, but Kane now out, the new pretenders, West Ham, Southampton, Stoke, woeful.

Liverpool have a good start, but look like an injury hit mob in the new year to me. Arsenal? Flip a coin.

City look superb. They did after 5 games last season.

Leicester look ok in spurts, CL mainly, and again, flip a coin. Could finish 10th but get a CL semi.

Interesting times we live in.

Goat · September 21, 2016

Short Termism is the new mantra, cups are long drawn out borefests.

Darth Toffeeman · September 21, 2016

roydo said:
Thats very realistic then.

One out of 3 would be fine for me. The last one.

I want to see Everton back where it belongs. We have been mismanaged for 20 years at board level.

The binman chronicles · September 21, 2016

davek said:
It put that town on the map. All they were known for before that was pea wet and scraps chip dinners.

We shouldn't down play winning the cup because it's their first trophy so it's brilliant for them, however this is the town that had a rugby team that were basically Rangers and Celtic all rolled into one. I think that put the town on the map already

roydo · September 21, 2016

The binman chronicles said:
We shouldn't down play winning the cup because it's their first trophy so it's brilliant for them, however this is the town that had a rugby team that were basically Rangers and Celtic all rolled into one. I think that put the town on the map already

That and a Pier.

Khalekan · September 21, 2016

Whistlin' Dixie said:
Does the FAC or efl bring CL footy?

No.

Well, it can do.

And this is the point all those people who disdain a Cup win seem to forget.

Winning one of those Cups get you into the EL.

Winning that competition brings a CL place.

Now, I personally think we would have a better chance of making the CL next season if we were in the Europa League this season because I think we would stand a better chance of winning that than finishing in the top four.

Plus qualifying for the CL through a barnstorming EL campaign which took us all over Europe would be a heck of a lot more exciting than winning the 4th, 3rd or even 2nd place trophy.

But that's just me :blush: