Ronald Koeman discussion

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We have scored 9 goals away from home in 10 months, picking up a solitary win in that period, and that was the very first away game of this calendar year. At the same time we appear capable of shipping 3 or 4 goals to the teams we want to be competing with (apart from Manchester City who we are a bit of a bogey side for).

This current crisis is not a blip. The free scoring form of Lukaku allowed us to bully the bottom 12/13 sides and paper over what is a very slow, predictable side. Koeman criticised the team for not spreading the goals around, and in the process has removed the only goal threat the club had. Managers are supposed to be able to get the maximum out of the players they have at their disposal. Chris Hughton even commented that Brighton should not be able to compete with the players Everton have. For £6m a year I would be expecting far more if I was Moshiri. Ronald appears to be just going through the motions until he receives his unjust contract payoff, he does not care enough about this football club :(
 

unfortunately he wont go anywhere yet, do think though if we get knocked out the Europa league and the carling cup, as well of lose to arsenal it'll deffo be game over for him

you get a sense when a manager can turn it around when the players seem to still want to work under him, but in all honestly it doesn't look like this team does.
 
After sleeping on it and hoping my bewilderment over this matter would subside, I nail my colours firmly to the sack him brigade.
The way he kept us waiting when we were chasing him was puzzling. If he thought Barca were going to come for him when we wanted him, then he was massively deluded on that. His record with us shows that hell will freeze before he gets the nod for Catalonia.
He doesn't want to be here so just pay him off. All this talk of the cost of firing him makes me balk when we don't hesitate to pay millions on young players. Surely we can afford to pay the remainder of his contract.
Who takes his place, I will have to leave that to those who know about such things.
Put him out of his (and our) misery now. Show some ruthlessness. After all Leicester got shut of the manager that won the the league some months earlier.
 
Our board eh?

Ian Buchan - who was hopeless btw - was given far too long

Harry Catterick - 2 years too long after he was too unwell to manage properly

Smith - way too long

Martinez - at least a year too much.

And now this Dutch schmoking golfing holidaying clown.

What will it take? It was all too obvious all this 2nd person garbage. It’s WE Ronald.
 

Everton is broken at the moment ! I cannot quite work out exactly why but we have no shape or no plan game after game . Players don’t seem to know what they are doing and the team selections are bewildering to say the least . Really thought Koeman was the man and this season we were going to do well. I just feel sick to the stomach at what’s happened . We can blame lots of things but for me that’s why a manager gets 6 million a year because when it wrong he is to blame . Bye bye time for me .
 
we are not going to lose any money by sacking him, insofar as he has a cast iron three year deal come rain or shine. Why would you want to keep the stinker, when everyone knows he's going to leave in 18 months anyway? get him out before he does even more damage.
Bill will know what to do. We are clearly relegation candidates now, I would offer Moyes an 18 month contract with Unsworth as no 2, just to dig us out of this horrendous pit. if we leave it to Moshiri, and he appoints another fantasy manager, there is a real danger we will go down. if we go down, the new stadium is a pipe dream
 
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After sleeping on it and hoping my bewilderment over this matter would subside, I nail my colours firmly to the sack him brigade.
The way he kept us waiting when we were chasing him was puzzling. If he thought Barca were going to come for him when we wanted him, then he was massively deluded on that. His record with us shows that hell will freeze before he gets the nod for Catalonia.
He doesn't want to be here so just pay him off. All this talk of the cost of firing him makes me balk when we don't hesitate to pay millions on young players. Surely we can afford to pay the remainder of his contract.
Who takes his place, I will have to leave that to those who know about such things.
Put him out of his (and our) misery now. Show some ruthlessness. After all Leicester got shut of the manager that won the the league some months earlier.

United sacked LVG after FA Cup win, Chelsea constantly sack trophy winners including Di Matteo who delivered the Champions League they craved so much. City get rid too. If you have the 2nd best man in the world, then that is not good enough for these clubs.

Often managers get a 'new team' bounce. By the 2nd season they are found out and their level is established. Both Di Matteo and Ranieri found this and sadly so did the less successful Martinez. Both Mourinho and Guardiola improve as they bed in at a club, yes they have resources to do so, but then Koeman should have at least consolidated as best of the rest with the heavy investment this summer.

The team should not be stale with so many fresh faces wanting to prove themselves. The whole thing is a mess and needs sorting asap.
 

It's always been a matter of when with Koeman. At one point it seemed that when would be when he got a 'bigger offer' from Barca or somebody else (funny that our last two managers have been linked to that job considering their performances here). Now it's whenever the board deem it to be one loss too many.

For me there's no time like the present. This isn't particularly because we're on a poor run at the moment, as I'm sure we could scrape together a few results and comfortably finish the season in the 7th-10th area. Rather, I just don't see Koeman ever being capable of getting the best out of our squad on a consistent basis to achieve anything of note. There's absolutely no fight, no spirit in this team at all. It's reflected in the indifference of our manager and, let's be honest, we'd get turned over by any team with the bit between their teeth right now.

Less talented teams are out-fighting us, showing more passion and, equally concerning, better organisation. The Burnley game was possibly the nadir of this, although we were a lockerless Niasse away from the same against Bournemouth. More talented sides are brushing us aside with ease. The Spurs game at home was an embarrassment. Yes, they are a better side but being comprehensively outplayed at home by anyone should not be acceptable. They could have comfortably scored five or six.

I don't see the board failing to land a Lukaku replacement as a valid excuse. If Koeman is genuinely uninvolved in transfers I'd have to ask a very simple question: why? It's ludicrous to suggest he doesn't discuss appropriate players with Walsh. Unfortunately, it seems Koeman's manner is to identify one player and fixate on them. Hence Giroud's change of heart leaving us without. Hence the protracted Sigurdsson deal (as has been mentioned, frankly astonishing that so much effort was put into signing a player without there seeming to be any proper consideration of how he would fit into the team). It's difficult to judge Walsh based on what's happening with the first team but if we look at the recruitment at u23 level there seems to be a good deal of effective scouting and negotiating being done. Koeman wrong-headedly throwing his substantial weight around seems to be an issue.

There's obviously a level of concern about who might replace him. I'd be surprised if this board had the confidence and ambition to attract a Tuchel or, gulp, Ancelotti. Koeman himself was a very conservative choice at the time and I'm not sure that we have enough to offer that would make us appealing to either of them. And if we're to look at the Premier League the options (Dyche, Howe, Silva) all come with fairly significant caveats. Then there's Unsworth, who would almost certainly take on the role in a caretaker capacity in the first instance.

Unsworth has been absolutely fantastic as u23 manager. He's achieved results, developed players for the first team, gained an impressive level of trust and dedication, and spoken very well in the media. But he's never been a club manager before. It's hard to know how he'd do in the long term but, personally, I think he'd at least get the team fighting again. The game he took against Norwich has been spoken about a lot and people are right to say we were playing an already relegated team with no desire. Still, our performance was transformative and his selections indicated a coach who is aware of how to get the right blend on the pitch. For an interim period at least I'd have no qualms over putting him in charge.

Koeman has cultivated a curious attitude of blamelessness throughout his career: it was a viper pit at Valencia; Porto were unbeatable when he was at Benfica; Ajax and PSV imploded because he was forced to sell key players; at Everton he inherited a mess and it couldn't be expected that he do better than he did; he doesn't have a say in signings and, regardless of money spent, we're still weak in key areas; players are underperforming and react poorly to man management... ad nauseum. Amazingly, he's paid half a million pounds a month to not be responsible for almost every aspect of managing a football club. And the Moyes comparisons become most befitting when you consider that his two most recent jobs (where he semi-salvaged the reputation he ruined at Valencia and Benfica) were doing fairly well with limited resources at Feyenoord and Southampton. Sometimes managers just find their niche.

I don't expect a sacking this week, although something might happen over the next four games. Another European humiliation on Thursday might go some way to sealing his fate, especially if we fail to get a result against Arsenal. The Chelsea cup game is unlikely to be the clincher as I suppose Moshiri will categorise it as an 'expected loss', but if those three go poorly and we lose to Leicester the following Sunday his position will no longer be tenable. We shouldn't have to endure another month of this, though. And - in the odd event of us actually getting a few wins over those four - we'll probably be enduring more turgid football for the remainder of the season at least.

Christ, you can tell I have a day off work today.

GTFO, Koeman you fat headed cheese ball of arrogance. And get some ambition Moshiri. Nobs.
 
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We have scored 9 goals away from home in 10 months, picking up a solitary win in that period, and that was the very first away game of this calendar year. At the same time we appear capable of shipping 3 or 4 goals to the teams we want to be competing with (apart from Manchester City who we are a bit of a bogey side for).

This current crisis is not a blip. The free scoring form of Lukaku allowed us to bully the bottom 12/13 sides and paper over what is a very slow, predictable side. Koeman criticised the team for not spreading the goals around, and in the process has removed the only goal threat the club had. Managers are supposed to be able to get the maximum out of the players they have at their disposal. Chris Hughton even commented that Brighton should not be able to compete with the players Everton have. For £6m a year I would be expecting far more if I was Moshiri. Ronald appears to be just going through the motions until he receives his unjust contract payoff, he does not care enough about this football club :(

Was saying in the Twittersphere he only has 18 months left on his contract. We could win every single game from now until then, win the UCL and he'd astill walk out in May 2019 without a second's thought.

So lets take it out of his hands and stop wasting time. He's not gonna fix it and in hindsight was never the right man for us.
 
unfortunately he wont go anywhere yet, do think though if we get knocked out the Europa league and the carling cup, as well of lose to arsenal it'll deffo be game over for him

you get a sense when a manager can turn it around when the players seem to still want to work under him, but in all honestly it doesn't look like this team does.

You'd hope the board may have learnt from this with Martinez, but sadly, I see them waiting until this clog headed buffoon knocks us out of everything before they act. This club still stinks from the top down.
 

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