Ronald Koeman discussion

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I know sometimes you can’t gauge the overall feeling just on a forum, but I’d be interested if there is a way back for him with a lot of fans.
A lot seem to not connect with him and starting to actually dislike his personality/ attitude/behaviour.
Even with a few wins can he ever around those judgements of him.
 
Just like Gylfi, however, Koeman has had blinders on for certain players. He wanted Giroud and only him. So we waited...and waited. And then the season started. Who sells their striker after the season starts?
We tried really hard to do just that! I think you're correct about Giroud. Makes you wonder who Walsh was talking about in the summer when he stated he was trying to convince Koeman about certain transfer targets to sign.
 
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For me the team currently has 3 major problems
1) no pace
2) no width
3) no quality strikers

Unfortunately these problems mean the following
1) opposition defenses can push further up the field. We don't have the pace or skill up front to exploit this
2) opposition sides can shift over and try to box us in, even if it means leaving one flank completely open. We don't have the wingers or pace to exploit this.
3) opposition defenders just have to be competent to deal with what we have. This is why teams full of grock defenders (e.g. Burnley and Limassol) who can head away an aimless high ball will have success.

Problems 1 and 2 will be helped in November time when Coleman and Bolasie come back in. Both will add pace and width.

Problem no.3 will hopefully be solved in January with the addition of a striker. We should be able to get someone who offers more than Niasse (tries hard but is not really good enough) and DCL (a kid who should really be learning his trade on loan in the championship).

This is why I think it's difficult to know if Koeman really is useless and if the players have downed tools. To be fair to Koeman he's done most things the fans have asked for (e.g. Bring Niasse back and play with 2 strikers). Yes he could try some of our genuine wingers but I don't think they would make that much difference. Mirallas hasn't played well in ages whenever he's had a chance, Lookman hasn't looked great, and Lenon just hasn't been good enough since he's been at the club. Maybe Lookman would be the one who should be given more minutes and should be on ahead of the likes of Sandro and Klaasson.

One thing Koeman should definitely do is stop playing Martina. He's not as bad as most make out but he offers nothing going forward. You could see yesterday players just stopped passing to him when he was free out wide and opted to put a cross in themselves from a less good angle. Play Kenny until Coleman is back. Will make little difference to results and will instantly win him some points with fans.

One guy whose head should definitely be on the chopping block at the moment is Steve Walsh. The guy is responsible for the players we've brought in. It's literally his job. It's his fault we didn't get the striker, centre half, winger, and left back we needed. Instead he let 4/5 no.10s come in. What a moron. For me he is as much at fault for the failures on the pitch as Koeman is. Unless of course Bill did his usual trick of blocking moves late on in the window. We'll never know though.

The next few games will tell us a lot about Koeman's future. What have what we have until November/January. The results may not improve but the performances have to. I have one request though: if the players have downed tools and stopped playing for Koeman. He must be sacked within the next 4-5 games. I don't want this dragging out for a whole season like it did with Martinez. There's no point in writing off a whole campaign to keep a guy in a job who is taking us nowhere fast.
Back 4 is mince, just to complete the set of problems all over the park. Probably THE major problem tbh, as our midfield circus could sort themselves out, given time and to a certain extent, if there was some sort of foundation at the back. Centre half is a Greek tragedy atm.
 
I know sometimes you can’t gauge the overall feeling just on a forum, but I’d be interested if there is a way back for him with a lot of fans.
A lot seem to not connect with him and starting to actually dislike his personality/ attitude/behaviour.
Even with a few wins can he ever around those judgements of him.

To be honest i'd accept Koemans flaws if he was getting the results.But at the moment he is just not getting them.Koeman comes across as a dour and abrupt arrogant little so and so.That combined with the fact that he is failing dismally to get the results at the moment, makes for a loathsome combination imo.
 

And who sells their star striker......nay, only striker.... six weeks before the season starts with no one already signed to replace him?

Even Danny Murphy was scathing of this fact on t'radio this morning.

The dream team Koeman and Walsh combination eh.A bit like Jesus they work in even more mysterious ways.
 
Article from espnfc

New and improved Everton are starting to look and sound a lot like old Everton, the sleeping giant happy to trundle along and offer little conviction in their attempt to push toward the top of the table. Majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri offered manager Ronald Koeman the dreaded vote of confidence on Monday, though this show of support inspired little faith.

Whether it was Moshiri merely protecting his investment in a manager given ample funds this summer, his reference to the 1-0 Burnley defeat on Sunday as "the only unexpected loss" is simply inexcusable. Irrespective of the poor recent record against the top teams, nobody in his position at this football club should ever imply any defeat is expected. This all feels painfully reminiscent of the days when former club captain Phil Neville tried to paint finishing in the top 10 as some sort of noble achievement.

Moshiri also repeated the paper-thin injury and fixture list excuses offered by Koeman earlier in the week. You cannot celebrate the return of European football but then complain about the extra fixtures just two matches into the group stage. Everton should be up to full speed, not commenting on tiredness at the beginning of October.

Such an uninspired statement does little to ease the pressure on the man in the dugout. Koeman has always seemed detached from Everton, almost with one foot out of the door, though in truth that has not been an issue until now. Yet as pressure builds, it is difficult to shake the nagging sense that dismissal would not bother Koeman in the slightest. When questioned about his position this week, Koeman has not sounded worried or even concerned. Whether it is arrogance or ignorance, neither trait offers much encouragement moving forward.

This general indifference adds to the sense of hopelessness enveloping the club. International breaks usually feel disruptive, but two weeks without Everton probably feels like a blessing to supporters at present. A 1-0 defeat to Burnley on Sunday means Everton have already lost as many home league games as the whole of last season. In the space of a few months and a summer of lopsided spending, Goodison Park has transformed from fortress to funfair.

Four goals scored and no clean sheet since the opening day tells the story of a team that has lost its way in every department. Everton have won two of the last 10 matches in all competitions. Seven points from seven league games has Everton ranked 18th on shots on target, goals scored and goals conceded.

This downturn extends to the end of last season. Dating back to April, Everton have scored six goals in their last 12 league games. That is why inevitable focus on the failure to replace Romelu Lukaku misses the bigger picture. Debate over the quality of forward options is irrelevant in a team creating as few clear-cut chances as Everton.

Even with Lukaku still in the squad, this narrow system had begun to run its course. Six months on, this broken setup remains in place. Anybody able to discern the formation toward the end of the second half against Burnley deserves an award in cartography.

Koeman continues to ignore the crippling lack of width and force players out of position in matches. Against Burnley, two strikers sat ahead of a shapeless mess masquerading as a midfield with two full-backs so isolated they might as well have sat in the crowd. Asking 32-year-old Leighton Baines to be left-back and left-sided midfielder for the entire match exposes the folly of this wrecked system. The switch to two strikers counted for nothing as midfield issues went untouched behind them.

Opponents easily outmanoeuvre Everton in wide areas and Koeman is either oblivious to it or too stubborn to address it. This is a team of strangers simply occupying the same area of grass. A shortage of pace, no width and the continued use of two defensive midfielders means the only realistic passing option for most players is backwards or sideways. Much like the full-backs in close proximity to them, the holding midfielders seem expected to play two positions, breaking up play and providing the attacking impetus. Meanwhile, the failing setup makes the more attack-minded players mere passengers.

Spending £45 million to use Gylfi Sigurdsson out of position is perhaps the strangest decision of them all. Aside from aimless long balls or switching the play to full-backs with no support and nowhere to go, there is still no shape, no creativity and no plan of attack. Never mind a goal, a player registering a shot on target feels like an achievement at this point.

Goalkeeper Jordan Pickford had more touches of the ball than both Everton strikers on Sunday. Ashley Williams ended the match up front and Wayne Rooney briefly popped up at left-back and in central defence. The only tactic seems to be that there are no tactics.

Stubbornness, misguided recruitment, misplaced favouritism towards big-money signings and a complete lack of width are the primary factors behind this alarming start. Amid a desperate run of form threatening a swift European exit and derailing progress in the league, Koeman has shown little sign of turning this around and the reasons for continuing with this charade are running out.

By Luke O'Farrell

Source : http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...s-farcical-everton-limp-further-into-disarray

Agree with that article for the most part, but, although this might make me sound old fashioned, I do expect midfielders (especially Gueye and Schneiderlin) to support both the attack and defence as much as they can. Not saying that the system (or lack thereof) helps them do that, mind.
 

Wasn't too worried going into the season. Lack of a striker was obviously concerning but that aside, 2 DM's, a better goalie and an addition to a reasonably solid back 4, sounded like we'd be hard to breakdown even if we couldn't score.

I can't understand Morgan this year, totally different player. Why he is picked over Davis is beyond me. Gylfi looks like he's been sat on the sofa all summer and seen enough to think he's on course to be our next Beatie. Williams clearly spent the summer in a pub in the Rhonda, what's that hiding in his shirt stuff all about.. we can still see you Ashley! :)

We're slow to react, never close to a man, dropping off, no desire to get back behind the ball and unfit. For me, this sits with the Manager.

Playing that many number 10 style players is ok, as long as they rotate and drop to get the ball. But they are all staying up and then we go sideways. If Cuco and Baines flapped their arms in frustration anymore, they'd be flying out the stadium.

As much as I want to get behind them, right now it's just very embarrassing. Just glad the RS are failing or life in the office would be unbearable.
 
We've been through this sort of spell before, but for some reason, it feels more terminal than under Moyes. He would generally claw it back, because at least his teams would fight for him. This feels more Martinez-esque though - once he was found out, that was it. We didn't act quickly enough with him, so now it's over to Moshiri. I personally think Koeman is done, but does the owner? And if he does, who does he get in instead? Seeing the Ancelotti shouts, but his CV doesn't include teams in our current position.
 
Thought long and Hard about this today after yesterdays debacle . In the beginning I though koeman was great . Deadwood all moved out fairly ruthlessly . Said what we all felt was needed to say and it looked like we had assembled a good enough squad. Had my own opinion that ROSS was no great loss to us and ROM was going anyway so not much we could do . Deadline day approached and I thought like us all .. 2 possibly three players and a top class striker and we were in business .. not sure how we quite went from there to here but it's where we are . The ruthlessness shown in the beginning now looks like it was arrogance and stubbornness . Management is exactly that. Managing a squad of 25 players when only 11 can play every week and another 7 subs . It's a tough job and is why Koeman gets 6 million a year .. he's done a lousy job - His treatment of Niasse now makes him look stupid , he's fell out with Ross , kev and a few more are not happy if reports are to be believed . What he is doing is not managing properly and you will not get any team spirit like that as the players are friends longer than since koeman came along ..I think he is in trouble now but as a club so are we as it will cost to much to sack him and as such won't happen.
The board need to act here in some way because if they don't we will be in serious trouble soon ... concerned !!
 
I know sometimes you can’t gauge the overall feeling just on a forum, but I’d be interested if there is a way back for him with a lot of fans.
A lot seem to not connect with him and starting to actually dislike his personality/ attitude/behaviour.
Even with a few wins can he ever around those judgements of him.

Listen, if he wins his next ten games everyone will say his methods are genius and his personality just 'tough but necessary' he will then be backed, lose a few more those same methods will be down as poor and his personality annoying. That is how fickle football fans are.
 

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