Ronald Koeman discussion

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What an incredible post.

And even if MoshirI, and yourself it seems, was expecting defeat in certain games, was he expecting the absolute bending over that occurred in them?

Is that acceptable to him?

The mask is really slipping on this fellow now.

Although he mouths platitudes about Everton being ambitious and hungry to compete at the top table and how the fans "deserve" a winning team, it seems to me he is another "know your place" merchant whom is happy enough getting by in mid table so as to keep the Sky millions coming in.

Him and Koeman are made for each other.


Hear that. I'm sort of judging him (Moshiri) on the stadium, weirdly. I'm amazed though a draw vs Limassol was not unexpected.... they spent 150m in the summer and expected to be realistically out the Europa by September!
 

According to Talkshyt, Moshiri fully supports Koeman. That means another six weeks of this intolerable krap.

In another six weeks, we will be bottom of the Prem and our elimination from Europe mathematically sealed. Act now, with an international break to burn, just like in 94, and we have a chance of salvation.
Salvation??? With whom?? In 2 weeks?? Dream on....lollollollol
 
@orly
here they come

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Regarding money:

Look at how much Liverpool have spent since fluking the League Cup on pennos in 2012. And now consider the number of trophies they have won in return..... exactly! In fact, it has been 14 years since LFC won a cup without penalties. Nit picking, but still relevant to my point that money doesn't always solve everything. Also, look at Blackburn, that went south pretty quick after they won the Prem in 95!

So I propose that we put Unsworth in charge of this Starting XI...

Mirallas-Niasse-Lookman
Davies-Gana-Vlasic
Baines-Keane-Holgate-Kenny
Pickford


...and watch the performances (or at least the workrate) improve 100x. Sure we'd take a few hidings, of that I've no doubt and I can't even say with confidence we'd even finish top half. But with just a shade more ingenuity we'd have had Burnley buried long before their goal. I believe that XI would have provided such ingenuity.

Think I'm mad? That squad contains 3 youngsters who have an existing rapport with Unsworth, they'll play for him and the club. 4 if you count Niasse.

Mirallas and Lookman would add an injection of much-needed pace. I can count on the fingers of one hand the minutes they have played this season and we're hovering just above the relegation zone. Coincidence? I think not.

Martina and Williams must never befoul our shirt again. Simply playing them should be a sacking offence.

Is it really that hard Koeman? Well I suppose it is now you've clearly lost the dressing room. Egotistical, clueless and without empathy, you are the 2017 version of Mike Walker, Koeman, and it's time to go.
If that's out strongest team we are in big trouble
 
Hate it when people say stuff like ‘he’s egotistical, lost the dressing room’ and so on.

We have no idea on that sort of thing and it’s pretty embarrassing to say you do.

He’s not doing well with Everton right now and that’s enough for me to want change.

If that’s him sorting whatever out then so be it. Just want Everton back to winning.

On Sunday I did hear he lost the dressing room, ended up taking a wrong turn and went into the broom cupboard

Yes I'm crap at comedy
 
Hate it when people say stuff like ‘he’s egotistical, lost the dressing room’ and so on.

We have no idea on that sort of thing and it’s pretty embarrassing to say you do.

He’s not doing well with Everton right now and that’s enough for me to want change.

If that’s him sorting whatever out then so be it. Just want Everton back to winning.
He's Dutch, calling him egotistical is a safe net in fairness
 

If that's out strongest team we are in big trouble

It isn't our strongest and I never said it was. But under Unsworth it would be the most motivated and pacy. I don't know about you but we're already in "pull out the C4 before we die" territory.
 
Just like Gylfi, however, Koeman has had blinders on for certain players. He wanted Giroud and only him. So we waited...and waited. And then the season started. Who sells their striker after the season starts?


And who sells their star striker......nay, only striker.... six weeks before the season starts with no one already signed to replace him?

Even Danny Murphy was scathing of this fact on t'radio this morning.
 
Article from espnfc

New and improved Everton are starting to look and sound a lot like old Everton, the sleeping giant happy to trundle along and offer little conviction in their attempt to push toward the top of the table. Majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri offered manager Ronald Koeman the dreaded vote of confidence on Monday, though this show of support inspired little faith.

Whether it was Moshiri merely protecting his investment in a manager given ample funds this summer, his reference to the 1-0 Burnley defeat on Sunday as "the only unexpected loss" is simply inexcusable. Irrespective of the poor recent record against the top teams, nobody in his position at this football club should ever imply any defeat is expected. This all feels painfully reminiscent of the days when former club captain Phil Neville tried to paint finishing in the top 10 as some sort of noble achievement.

Moshiri also repeated the paper-thin injury and fixture list excuses offered by Koeman earlier in the week. You cannot celebrate the return of European football but then complain about the extra fixtures just two matches into the group stage. Everton should be up to full speed, not commenting on tiredness at the beginning of October.

Such an uninspired statement does little to ease the pressure on the man in the dugout. Koeman has always seemed detached from Everton, almost with one foot out of the door, though in truth that has not been an issue until now. Yet as pressure builds, it is difficult to shake the nagging sense that dismissal would not bother Koeman in the slightest. When questioned about his position this week, Koeman has not sounded worried or even concerned. Whether it is arrogance or ignorance, neither trait offers much encouragement moving forward.

This general indifference adds to the sense of hopelessness enveloping the club. International breaks usually feel disruptive, but two weeks without Everton probably feels like a blessing to supporters at present. A 1-0 defeat to Burnley on Sunday means Everton have already lost as many home league games as the whole of last season. In the space of a few months and a summer of lopsided spending, Goodison Park has transformed from fortress to funfair.

Four goals scored and no clean sheet since the opening day tells the story of a team that has lost its way in every department. Everton have won two of the last 10 matches in all competitions. Seven points from seven league games has Everton ranked 18th on shots on target, goals scored and goals conceded.

This downturn extends to the end of last season. Dating back to April, Everton have scored six goals in their last 12 league games. That is why inevitable focus on the failure to replace Romelu Lukaku misses the bigger picture. Debate over the quality of forward options is irrelevant in a team creating as few clear-cut chances as Everton.

Even with Lukaku still in the squad, this narrow system had begun to run its course. Six months on, this broken setup remains in place. Anybody able to discern the formation toward the end of the second half against Burnley deserves an award in cartography.

Koeman continues to ignore the crippling lack of width and force players out of position in matches. Against Burnley, two strikers sat ahead of a shapeless mess masquerading as a midfield with two full-backs so isolated they might as well have sat in the crowd. Asking 32-year-old Leighton Baines to be left-back and left-sided midfielder for the entire match exposes the folly of this wrecked system. The switch to two strikers counted for nothing as midfield issues went untouched behind them.

Opponents easily outmanoeuvre Everton in wide areas and Koeman is either oblivious to it or too stubborn to address it. This is a team of strangers simply occupying the same area of grass. A shortage of pace, no width and the continued use of two defensive midfielders means the only realistic passing option for most players is backwards or sideways. Much like the full-backs in close proximity to them, the holding midfielders seem expected to play two positions, breaking up play and providing the attacking impetus. Meanwhile, the failing setup makes the more attack-minded players mere passengers.

Spending £45 million to use Gylfi Sigurdsson out of position is perhaps the strangest decision of them all. Aside from aimless long balls or switching the play to full-backs with no support and nowhere to go, there is still no shape, no creativity and no plan of attack. Never mind a goal, a player registering a shot on target feels like an achievement at this point.

Goalkeeper Jordan Pickford had more touches of the ball than both Everton strikers on Sunday. Ashley Williams ended the match up front and Wayne Rooney briefly popped up at left-back and in central defence. The only tactic seems to be that there are no tactics.

Stubbornness, misguided recruitment, misplaced favouritism towards big-money signings and a complete lack of width are the primary factors behind this alarming start. Amid a desperate run of form threatening a swift European exit and derailing progress in the league, Koeman has shown little sign of turning this around and the reasons for continuing with this charade are running out.

By Luke O'Farrell

Source : http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...s-farcical-everton-limp-further-into-disarray
 

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