Ronald Koeman discussion

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Thing that is slightly getting to me as I'm watching Mane ripping Arsenal up is that he's the guy that brought in Mane, Van Dijk, and Tadic to Southampton.

I'm still waiting for these similar types of players to turn up here.
 
ijjysmith said:
Cannot stand 5 at the back. Never have, never will.
If he keeps playing it then I won't ever be 100% happy with him.
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We only have 3 CBs as well. Wouldn't be hard for a suspension and an injury or a couple of injuries to happen in 1 match and we're buggered.
 
dannyboy said:
We still didn't win any of those games under Martinez. We had a couple of good performances against the top teams in three years, the rest were exactly the same as what we served up today. Outclassed and hoping for the best.

Grind out the result/influence the game. It really matters very little when you haven't got the players to implement your tactics.
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We won at Old Trafford under Martinez.

I'm just sayin' :blush:
 

ijjysmith said:
Cannot stand 5 at the back. Never have, never will.
If he keeps playing it then I won't ever be 100% happy with him.
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Yep I feel the same. I'm a Koeman fan but I despise the back 5 system. It was crap when Coleman was fit, how's it gonna work with Holgate who is out of his depth.

I want a settled side but I want a better blend. I don't get the signings in attack. They are the right blend at all. No pace to play on the counter, no height and power to play direct. So what exactly are we trying to do?
 
dannyboy said:
We still didn't win any of those games under Martinez. We had a couple of good performances against the top teams in three years, the rest were exactly the same as what we served up today. Outclassed and hoping for the best.

Grind out the result/influence the game. It really matters very little when you haven't got the players to implement your tactics.
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I think you're missing everybody's point mate.

Yes we might lose anyway, but I'd rather see us at least attempt to compete rather than turn up with no intention to attack at all which appeared to happen today.
 
riddick said:
Then what is the point in paying Koeman 6mil a year if we are resigned to being 7th because "our players are nowhere near as good" as the top 6? They hired him because his job is to make up that gap. He's responding with some of the most negative football I've ever seen us play.
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Because under Martinez we were probably on our way towards doing a Villa so getting us into 7th isn't an absolute given.

It isn't the most fluid football but how many managers apart from Roberto Martinez go out and play offensive football away from home against a better team? He tries to be pragmatic. Tell me another manager that honestly doesn't?
 

dannyboy said:
Because under Martinez we were probably on our way towards doing a Villa so getting us into 7th isn't an absolute given.

It isn't the most fluid football but how many managers apart from Roberto Martinez go out and play offensive football away from home against a better team? He tries to be pragmatic. Tell me another manager that honestly doesn't?
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Ok then, Im going to back to your original point. Go over the team. How many of them AREN'T signed under Koeman's watch. Then explain your stance of 'haven't got the players to implement the tactics'?
 
ToffeeTim said:
Yep I feel the same. I'm a Koeman fan but I despise the back 5 system. It was crap when Coleman was fit, how's it gonna work with Holgate who is out of his depth.

I want a settled side but I want a better blend. I don't get the signings in attack. They are the right blend at all. No pace to play on the counter, no height and power to play direct. So what exactly are we trying to do?
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I like all the players weve signed. Just not how they're being used at the moment.

But it's still early and still has a massive striker sized hole in it.

Still think we'll be fine, just no better than last season. Slightly closer than season but still 7th. (Despite Arsenal looking grim).
 
Lanolin said:
I think you're missing everybody's point mate.

Yes we might lose anyway, but I'd rather see us at least attempt to compete rather than turn up with no intention to attack at all which appeared to happen today.
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It didn't work today but we weren't a million miles away against City and at Old Trafford last year. I've yet to see any other approach work on a consistent basis, might as well go with the one that seems to be the most pragmatic.
 
riddick said:
Ok then, Im going to back to your original point. Go over the team. How many of them AREN'T signed under Koeman's watch. Then explain your stance of 'haven't got the players to implement the tactics'?
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I was referring to the tactics that the poster wanted us to adopt of going to these places and dominating the possession. The opposition would just let us have the ball and pick us apart on the break, as they did consistently under Martinez.
 
ijjysmith said:
I like all the players weve signed. Just not how they're being used at the moment.

But it's still early and still has a massive striker sized hole in it.

Still think we'll be fine, just no better than last season. Slightly closer than season but still 7th. (Despite Arsenal looking grim).
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I think 6th has to be the target. Top 4 next year. A cup would be excellent. 2 embarassing home exits won't do this year.

The striker has to come this week and has to be good. If we can't get Giroud benteke etc then it has to be a pacey option to stretch the game.
 

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