Ronald Koeman discussion

[Tramps_mate]

Koeman for manager of the month?

 

[JLW]

Koeman for manager of the month?

Please no, its the kiss of death that thing

 

[toffeeblue9]

Whilst I appreciate there are certain caveats which can be applied, I think generally speaking the best way of judging any manager is on results - they are ultimately what we care about and how we judge performance

If we look at how the last two managers of Everton were doing after 23 games of each full season they managed, you see the following:

Moyes
02/03 - 36 pts
03/04 - 25 pts
04/05 - 44 pts
05/06 - 29 pts
06/07 - 32 pts
07/08 - 42 pts
08/09 - 37 pts
09/10 - 32 pts
10/11 - 27 pts
11/12 - 29 pts
12/13 - 38 pts
Martinez
13/14 - 42 pts
14/15 - 26 pts
15/16 - 29 pts

Everton currently have 37 points, a tally which we have only bettered at this stage of a season 4 times in the last 14 seasons

Everton's average points return over the last 14 seasons after 23 games is 33.42

Our best points return at this stage (44 pts in 04/05 - the CL qualification season) would only be good enough for 6th place in the current PL table

Martinez's 72 point season had a great last 15 games where we picked up 30 points. After 23 games we would have been no higher than our current position of 7th, based on goal difference.

Add some caveats about cup performances, performances of other clubs, budgets, it only really being worth looking at performance over a full season, state of the club when Koeman came in etc, but I think it's reasonable enough based on the above to suggest that Koeman is doing alright so far. Above average based on the last 15 years, but plenty of scope to improve.

 

[Chewbacca]

Win this and we're safe for another year

 

[MrGrumpy]

The thing that pleases me the most is the coming back. The last 2 seasons we would coincide the 1st goal and go...well this is lost, but under Koeman we seem to have the confidence to hit back. Arsenal/hull and Stoke

 

[Connor]

 

[ijjysmith]

LOVE

 

[ggooggooggoo]

Now if Klopp had said that. there would be a party political broadcast of it on all channels.

 

[ijjysmith]

Jeez. Did you hear what he said about Donker!?

Love this attitude.

 

[maccavennie]

Jeez. Did you hear what he said about Donker!?

Love this attitude.

I know mate I've just posted about it in the Donker thread, that was bloody harsh that as he played well!!

 

[ijjysmith]

I know mate I've just posted about it in the Donker thread, that was bloody harsh that as he played well!!

Indeed. But he did say he played well. Just wasn't impressed. You have to do out of the ordinary to impress him.

 

[maccavennie]

Indeed. But he did say he played well. Just wasn't impressed. You have to do out of the ordinary to impress him.

the kids probably crying into his Nandos after that

 

[bicycleheader]

Jeez. Did you hear what he said about Donker!?

Love this attitude.

did he say he has a funny name and he sings songs about him in the shower?

 

[TheCount]

Jeez. Did you hear what he said about Donker!?

Love this attitude.

He's trying to destroy him with public humiliation like he did with Barkley. Ronk OUT

 

[Blue Cheese]

In context about Donkor, all he was saying is he didn't do anything that he knows he isn't already capable of doing, no doubt it will get twisted.