Ronald Koeman discussion

[MikeH72]

Totally agree. Would like us to approach the following managers in the summer;

Pochettino
Tuchel
Klopp
Unai Emery
Wenger

We have big money, we need to start acting like a big club.

You can't have two managers at the same time mate.

 

[MikeH72]

There'll be some, but I'm pretty certain they're the minority

I've certainly never met or spoke to one mate. If there are people then the number probably wouldn't even crack double figures inside Goodison on a match day.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I guarantee you not one Everton fan who watches or goes to the game, would prioritise entertainment over 3 points. Absolutely not a single one.

I reckon I could name one

 

[MikeH72]

I reckon I could name one

Read my post again carefully Friend.

 

[davek]

One question for the folk complaining that Koeman's team has been too direct

Have you guys and gals ever sat back to consider that perhaps some people actually like that style of football?

It seems to me like you think there's only one acceptable way to play football and that's in an aesthetic manner with lots of technical skill and passing, but have you ever stopped to think that not everyone agrees with you?

You seem to be operating under the assumption that your stance is objective as opposed to subjective

Different people like different things

I remember seeing comments during the Martinez years that our fan base was in need of "re-education" and had to be "weaned" from more direct football

Well perhaps people don't need to be weaned and perhaps they don't want to be re-educated? Maybe they just want to like what they like without the tactical nazis stomping on them for enjoying a nice cross into the box for the target man?

For me, I don't mind a bit of direct route one stuff on occasion. Would I want it all the time? No, probably not. But would I like it if we played on the whole more direct with a dash of flair here and there? Yes, I probably would

I think too many people are labouring under the misconception that lots of people want loads of passing and step overs. As many people as there is who go to the match to be entertained first and see the team win second, there's as many, if not more, who simply want to go and see their team win. And if they have to win ugly, then so be it

Mixing it up with the odd long ball is perfectly acceptable. But football is meant to be played on the deck through a combination of passing.

Anyone who believes it should be a perfect balance of long ball and passing has things out of whack, imo.

It's why we have always been known as the school of science. It's our tradition. We should always look to get back to that and we most certainly shouldn't be promoting its antithesis.

 

[davek]

Totally agree. Would like us to approach the following managers in the summer;

Pochettino
Tuchel
Klopp
Unai Emery
Wenger

We have big money, we need to start acting like a big club.

I'd throw Flavre in there too. The one that git away.

 

[Prevenger17]

bore off you attention seeking idiot, run out of steam on the transfer front so you thought you would reignite this...idiot

Lol at you

 

[toffeeblue9]

Read my post again carefully Friend.

Ah, I see what you did there...

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Mixing it up with the odd long ball is perfectly acceptable. But football is meant to be played on the deck through a combination of passing.

Why though?

Why does football have to be anything?

There's a clearly defined set of rules for football, and long play is well within those rules

There is nothing written saying football has to be played in any set manner, merely that the laws of the game are observed

It is simply a matter of personal preference

Technical football has no greater right of place in the game than route one does

None at all

There is nothing wrong with direct football and no football club is under any obligation to play it. You simply don't like it, which is your right, but that doesn't mean it's wrong when others do like it or when a team plays it

 

[ijjysmith]

Why though?

Why does football have to be anything?

There's a clearly defined set of rules for football, and long play is well within those rules

There is nothing written saying football has to be played in any set manner, merely that the laws of the game are observed

It is simply a matter of personal preference

Technical football has no greater right of place in the game than route one does

None at all

It amuses me that people can't see that we tried to play pretty on the deck passing footy and were not very good at it. Now we are trying something different and we're not that great at that either. Maybe we just aren't that great.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

It amuses me that people can't see that we tried to play pretty on the deck passing footy and were not very good at it. Now we are trying something different and we're not that great at that either. Maybe we just aren't that great.

It amuses me that some people think only one brand of football is acceptable and all others are not

I like what I like, but I'm not going to say it's better, I'm merely going to say I prefer it

Everton should play only one way, the winning way, and if we have to keep trying all sorts of different tactics to get there, then so be it

We cannot afford to be so rigid

If Ronald Koeman thinks we'll win more games being a bit more direct, then so be it. It's a results business

Thus far he's been hit and miss, but there's no reason to think this more direct approach can't work and certainly no reason to have the knives out for him because the team aren't doing enough step overs

 

[ijjysmith]

It amuses me that some people think only one brand of football is acceptable and all others are not

I like what I like, but I'm not going to say it's better, I'm merely going to say I prefer it

Everton should play only one way, the winning way, and if we have to keep trying all sorts of different tactics to get there, then so be it

We cannot afford to be so rigid

For me we aren't just a long ball team at the moment either. We are mixing both styles up. Prime example was the win at Leicester. Both goals came from huge hoofs. But Gueye missed a total sitter after what must have been a 40-50 passing move. But people won't remember such things as it goes against what they believe. Or they only watch the highlight/goals.

 

[MikeH72]

Very happy to see the sound-minded Evertonians haven't written the manager off before he's had a chance to rebuild the wreckage that was this diabolical squad and put something meaningful in place that looks like it might go somewhere.

Our fans are sound

 

[maccavennie]

For me we aren't just a long ball team at the moment either. We are mixing both styles up. Prime example was the win at Leicester. Both goals came from huge hoofs. But Gueye missed a total sitter after what must have been a 40-50 passing move. But people won't remember such things as it goes against what they believe. Or they only watch the highlight/goals.

That sitter by Gueye would have been an unbelievable team goal. 27 passes I think it was but it was absolutely superb build up play.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

For me we aren't just a long ball team at the moment either. We are mixing both styles up. Prime example was the win at Leicester. Both goals came from huge hoofs. But Gueye missed a total sitter after what must have been a 40-50 passing move. But people won't remember such things as it goes against what they believe. Or they only watch the highlight/goals.

Exactly

The play leading up to the penalty against Saints was another example

We are capable of that sort of play and Koeman does seem to want us to do more of it, but he's also aware that the result is all important

I think Koeman wants to be a pragmatic manager. He's not quite there yet but maybe with these incomings we can edge ever closer?

This whole situation is a work in progress and we don't know how it's going to turn out yet. Koeman doesn't really have a "style" yet because he doesn't have his team yet. That doesn't change the fact though that there are many ways to play football and all are valid so long as they are within the rules. It is merely a matter of preference which way you prefer

One thing I do know is that for us to get where all want to be will take time

It might happen with Koeman and it might not, but one thing for sure is that it isn't going to happen overnight