Ronald Koeman discussion

[jceverton]

They are lying to themselves because it makes them feel better about a situation that in the back of their heads (where they keep their minds) they are starting to worry that he's a chancer without any real substance.



Do you think it's possible that he could have engineered deals for new players without throwing almost every single current player under the bus and destroying morale a few months in? I mean maybe not for an average manager but for such a genius surely?

Having it known publicly that he despises his players isn't something a lot of people brandished as a great move prior to the Koeman era.

In fact many were lashing out at Mourinho because that's his main move and we were all sick of him doing it every time his team under-performed.




I remember everyone talked about how much of a bottler Moyes (and his players) was and once we got rid of him everything was going to be great. At the time it sounded like a nonsense -- just a reactionary label that meant nothing in reality but just made a certain type of person people feel better. It's almost as if "bottler" isn't 100% of the equation here but how could such a meticulously researched and factually backed up label not accurately describe everything we need to know about people in football?

Anyway never mind the facts of our past ... once we clean up the new bottlers out of the swamp everything will be fine right?



He's a master motivator and our fitness is 100 times better and if not it's the players fault (for not realizing he's a master motivator).



Just guessed that one based on his behavior here so far. Leopards and all. Then again I am just basing my opinion on the things he says and does rather than Koeman's big fancy baby boomer tough talking costume that certain people think is so fashionable these days.



It sounds like he's a coward who constantly publicly blames anyone other than himself for problems ... but that's just how it sounds to me because I'm a straight shooter who tells it like it is just like Koeman.



They want to MEGA mate so the past can be whatever we want it to be.



Wow. Groundhog Day.



So he's been wrong before about this then?

These are facts. Yes ten years ago facts ... but facts nonetheless.

You're gone if you don't think it's at least moderately relevant to today when he's doing the same act here. Yes it may be ten years ago in reality but Koeman doesn't seem to care ... to him it appears this act is still fresh!

It's not 100% of the equation like labeling someone a "bottler" but it's interesting data nonetheless.



His pedigree (the stuff you like) is almost entirely as a player though.



While I don't doubt there was someone who is happy to vault themselves that they were on the "our players are absolute crap" bandwagon from the second Martinez was fired I'm calling BS on this being anything but a relatively recent fad for the majority.

People wanted Martinez fired because they thought 11th was WAY too low with this group and to suggest 7th is the level EVERYONE BELIEVED THESE PLAYERS WERE AT is absurd revisionist history.

People thought Geri was a great player when he was among the league leaders in assists and chances created -- now he's a bottler who needs to be jibed off?

You're lying to yourselves.



I think Koeman is smart.

I don't think he's the right manager for Everton but of course he's smart.

In PR you know what you are doing when you "take responsibility" and then "just happen to mention other things."

You get to say you took responsibility (because there is technically a quote in there somewhere) and who could have possibly known the media and fans would latch onto the other stuff he mentioned?

It's not just A move in PR it's THE move in PR these days.

He knew what he was doing there and the media and fan narrative has mostly followed along the path he laid out for the sheep.

Maye he's right ... but that does not change the fact he purposefully deflected criticism away from him and onto the players and board.

To claim he took responsibility is naive or willful cooperation with his narrative.

You may think that's smart -- I may think it's because he cares more about his brand and his next job than the impact his actions has on Everton.

That's why I'm worried about him because I look at the things he says and does and he obviously does not have Everton as his top priority.

If you think he does I suggest it's because you don't fully appreciate the way he is manipulating you and the media.

You can see his true intentions if you look they are as clear as day.

P.S. Sorry for facts and multi-quote I know it triggers a lot of you super sensitive types ... I mean you're totally not bothered by it and will let us all know how not bothered you are ... everyone believes you. NSNO! ... sorry ... MEGA!

Good post mate and bang on the money.

 

[bullybeef]

The longer this arsing around goes on the more convinced I am that Koeman will walk claiming constructive dismissal.

From the noises he is making it's quite clear he was assured of money for quality signings.

 

[lancs blue]

The longer this arsing around goes on the more convinced I am that Koeman will walk claiming constructive dismissal.

From the noises he is making it's quite clear he was assured of money for quality signings.

he has more chance buying a tin of quality street.

 

[Ernie]

Papers picking up on the growing tension between Koeman and the board and suggesting he could walk

Scary times ahead if he walks because no manager worth a tug would want it

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Papers picking up on the growing tension between Koeman and the board and suggesting he could walk

Scary times ahead if he walks because no manager worth a tug would want it

We could entice the Belgium international manager I'm surelol

 

[Kev The Rat]

Papers picking up on the growing tension between Koeman and the board and suggesting he could walk

Scary times ahead if he walks because no manager worth a tug would want it

TBF I called this the minute he came out and publicly questioned the lack of signings post-Leicester cup defeat. He clearly feels he isn't being backed, and I can see why he thinks that. Going public with criticism of the club hierarchy is a sure sign of desperation and something a manager would only do under extreme circumstances.

 

[Connor]

Papers picking up on the growing tension between Koeman and the board and suggesting he could walk

Scary times ahead if he walks because no manager worth a tug would want it

Where you getting this from Big Bird? There's nothing on Newsnow nor Twitter.

 

[Ernie]

TBF I called this the minute he came out and publicly questioned the lack of signings post-Leicester cup defeat. He clearly feels he isn't being backed, and I can see why he thinks that. Going public with criticism of the club hierarchy is a sure sign of desperation and something a manager would only do under extreme circumstances.

100% mate

I don't agree with him doing it but have a feeling it thought it was his only option, I bet he's been in meeting after meeting with the board and Walsh and he's getting to the end of the line with it all with seeing little to no progress

At some point Koeman may realize he's been sold a lie and will have no option but to walk

 

[Ernie]

Where you getting this from Big Bird? There's nothing on Newsnow nor Twitter.

Refuse to link the rag mate

 

[Connor]

Refuse to link the rag mate

Ah well, that's not happening then is it.

He's not walking away from 6 million a year.

 

[Ernie]

Ah well, that's not happening then is it.

He's not walking away from 6 million a year.

He's loaded, He would get a new job in the Prem no problem

Do you think he's going to stay here after being lied to, No funds to spend unless he sells, He knows this squad needs major work and without big money he will be drifting along putting his career back years

 

[bullybeef]

Bye bye Ronnie lad, it's been a blast.

 

[eurosrees]

He has a boatload of players that nobody in their right mind would want to buy, let alone loan for £20k odd a week, and isn't able to buy any players he had in mind (based on rumours), a bit of a s*** sandwich really.

 

[davek]

Spot on this: http://www.thenational.ae/sport/eng...-difficult-job-than-ronald-koeman-anticipated

Apologis if already posted.

 

[njligernj]

@njligernj : The despising his players claim was clearly meant as a tongue in cheek remark by me, but please don't let that hold you back from going on a good rant

I am aware it was my friend however it's also the impression a lot of fans, the media and the players have too. So I used it as a jumping off point to discuss that topic even though I didn't think you literally believed it to be true.

Don't believe me? Well I don't believe the people who replied to the joke (or at least I thought it was a joke I could be wrong) someone made about Koeman not knowing what a football looks like:

What does that even mean? You can question his tactics, methods and commitment but I'm certain he knows what a football looks like.

You do know he was one of the greatest players in his position ever right, wouldn't know a football lol. It's because of his pedigree as a player that I'm so disappointed, he knows football inside out.

One of the best free kick takers of all time. But yeah... not a clue. He could have been putting his foot through a melon for all Ronnie knew.

Lol, ye ok pal. Koeman has achieved more in the game then you, me, eryone else on here and everyone else you know combined and he's probably forgotten more about the game then you will ever know. Typical clown comment from a bedwetter.

Your wealth of football knowledge will go far on here.

You should write for The Sun. They have people earning a living writing shîte like that.

Be fair, that comment is above their standard, it's more Daily Mirror than the Scum.

Nah. They love to pass off complete BS as the truth. He'd fit in perfectly.

You see it seems to me you are all more than happy to pick up the low hanging fruit but when someone challenges the nonsensical platitudes that people here throw around like they actually mean something -- see "bottler" -- everyone decides that all of sudden it's beneath them ... when in truth they want the easiest possible target and don't like the idea of having to do a bunch of work just to prove someone wrong when it's so much easier to just join in with whatever nonsense pile on is happening at that moment.

So we can have an entire page of people piling on the Koeman football bloke (doesn't matter if he was joking or not it's a page of zero new information) and we can have a whole page of people just saying in one word how much they aren't bothered by someone's argument (all mod approved activities) but what is actively discouraged and openly mocked by mods is long in depth discussion. (They will argue it's just me but this pattern repeats itself all over the site -- mods believe the problem of online discussion is too complex so they choose to reduce their job to a simpler set of tasks: ensure people don't swear etc.)

I don't believe the ten+ people who were so desperate to make it publicly known they aren't bothered by my argument (nor the mod who said he doesn't read posts). That's fine ... they don't believe me. The problem is I am consistent (I've been doing complex multi-quotes for a decade back when they got 30+ likes per post because I was saying what people wanted to hear) and you've all (well many of you ... the "groupthink" of GoT anyway) completely changed your tune and are acting like that isn't what has happened.