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Roman Abramovich hands over ‘stewardship and care’ of Chelsea football club

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catcherintherye said:
Ok. So do you have proof that what you have said is true? Like has it been established in the court of the land for example?

All we have currently is he has a conviction, not for theft, which was wrongfully given and subsequently overturned.
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No I don't have any, as I said its only what I have read and I don't really have any view on it tbh I was simply just mentioning it, thats all.
 

EverTheOptimist said:
He got it performing because stubborn Russia finally allowed western help to build their energy infrastructure, which in turn saw growth of the 400% you keep repeating FFS, Russia was in such a financial mess it had to take loans from the IMF and World Bank with contingencies of opening up Russia to the west, which in the end didn't work out to great as the Oligarchs had a firm grip on all the industries and why it underperforms so bad GDP wise when the likes of Usmanov, Abramovich, Berezovsky, Khordorkovsky etc etc hoarded stole and kept Russian people's wealth amongst themselves. So it should be the west who were the big factor in getting Russia to 400% growth, they rejuvenated their oil and gas refinaries and Europe Japan China bought their oil and gas in bulk.

Like I said and this should have been mentioned by you in reply at how ridiculous this stat is, 2010 after all that growth and at the end of those war on terror oil prices of $120-$180 a barrel of oil, Russian GDP was 1.4 trillion, in 2019 before the Pandemic their GDP was 1.5 trillion, an increase of a measly 100 billion 10 years later. You keep making out that Putin is some economic genius hahaha but that decade of high energy prices the GDP stayed the same and saw hardly any growth.?

In that same time frame USA increased theirs by 6 trillion, China their neighbour and closest ally increased their GDP by 8 trillion, China the world's premier Communist country that embraced open capitalism and not crony Kleptocracy oligarchism that you dearly admire is an economic superpower.

You need to read three books on Russian oilgarchy, Usmanov who you admire so dearly is mentioned in them, they are fascinating and essential reading on how Russia was systematically robbed by your hero oligarchy.

The Oligarchs : wealth and power by David E Hoffman.

Once upon a time in Russia by Ben Mezrich.

Sale of the century by Christia Freeland.

I never mentioned what I read about Usmanov here while he was at the club, he seemed to have quite a following from Evertonians who just thought he was a cuddly billionaire benefactor, but reading those three books and Ambassdor to Uzbekistan Craig Murray said and wrote about him, I kept quiet.
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Not like you that.
 
Simon Buttle said:
No I don't have any, as I said its only what I have read and I don't really have any view on it tbh I was simply just mentioning it, thats all.
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Fair enough mate.

I just think it's important to with what people have done, not what people allege people have done.

We call all allege whatever we like.
 

magicjuan said:
In Russia they are 'Oligarchs', in the West they are 'billionaires'.
A deafening wee nuance.
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Yes.

It creates distance. Makes it seems its something to do with Russia, and crucially not an inherent part of the capitalist system.

Reminds me of when George Orwell said about anti-semitism being the socialism for fools. Same is true for anti-Russian sentiment really.

The fact some idiot was recommending I read a book by a North American, liberal MP to understand the flaws of capitalism says it all. ?
 
catcherintherye said:
Yes.

It creates distance. Makes it seems its something to do with Russia, and crucially not an inherent part of the capitalist system.

Reminds me of when George Orwell said about anti-semitism being the socialism for fools. Same is true for anti-Russian sentiment really.

The fact some idiot was recommending I read a book by a North American, liberal MP to understand the flaws of capitalism says it all. ?
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The commonality is capital. The capital of a flawed and decaying system in the throes of eating itself.
There are so many things going wrong that are blindingly evident and yet there is no historical precedence for capitalism improving things (unless, like in Covid, it adopts socialism temporarily).
 
magicjuan said:
The commonality is capital. The capital of a flawed and decaying system in the throes of eating itself.
There are so many things going wrong that are blindingly evident and yet there is no historical precedence for capitalism improving things (unless, like in Covid, it adopts socialism temporarily).
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Or the post war consensus.
 
Abramovich has been sanctioned!






Given the significant impact that today’s sanctions would have on Chelsea football club and the potential knock on effects of this, the Government has this morning published a licence which authorises a number of football-related activities to continue at Chelsea. This includes permissions for the club to continue playing matches and other football related activity which will in turn protect the Premier League, the wider football pyramid, loyal fans and other clubs. This licence will only allow certain explicitly named actions to ensure the designated individual is not able to circumvent UK sanctions. The licence will be kept under constant review and we will work closely with the football authorities.
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