Roberto Martinez discussion

[Kev The Rat]

Says everton would be the ideal club for him to go back to lol

 

[kithnou]

Woken up this morning with no frustration due to yesterday's defeat, it's gone now, nothing we can do about it, no point in crying about it.

Yesterday confirmed a few things for me though.

1. Some people just won't accept the shocking run of results at home as cause for alarm and when you hit them with these facts just keep spouting the same drivel that we are close to something special despite us looking anything but.
2. Along with the base and foundation he inherited from Moyes, he has actually got the best squad of players at his disposal we have seen at GP for years, he just doesn't know what to do with them.
3.as many pointed out yesterday, he has no idea how to play a different way and for the second season running has been outwitted at GP by Tony Pulis, a man many openly take the Micky out of on here.
4. Barring an FA cup win, the season is a massive flop now and basically a failure. The only thing glossing over his appalling win rate this season is the unpredictability of the PL.
5. The case made for not changing now for many is something ridiculous along the lines of "we are Everton, not Newcastle we don't behave that way", quite pathetic really, one managerial dismissal wouldn't automatically turn us into a revolving door club overnight, an absolutely ridiculous argument for anybody to put forward for not changing him now. In fact, a new manager may actually get a tune out of these players on a more consistent basis.

We probably won't get rid of him though, so we are probably stuck with him and you never know, he may just have a Kevin Brock moment which turns our fortunes. Other than that, he is looking like a one trick pony and I would prefer a more open minded and expansive manager who knows how to attack, defend and as Lukaku openly stated, has a bit of nous of game management.

Good post mate.

You know, I have been thinking about it as to why I am still in the "keep Roberto camp" and I have a confession to make.

I honestly believe that the only reason right now is that I am scared if we sack him tomorrow, Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barkley will leave too. Stones I think is gone in the Summer anyways.

I really have come to this conclusion and I hate to feel this way. Torn.

Constructive opinions please?

 

[Blue Cheese]

Hard for me to call when I didn't see the game. What I would say is that, Martinez would have known how Pulis was going to set up and play but couldn't find a way to beat him again. On the other hand 34 shots makes you wonder if it actually was 'just one of those games' for a change.

 

[bluestevon]

I often hear these comments as an attack on the manager too. Irrelevant as you say.

Also, again as you rightly say, the subs were atrocious, because the result was we played worse. However most people moaned whenever Naismith was brought on. Except against Chelsea. And earlier in the season most on here were convinced that Lukaku definitely performs better with Kone in the side. It's possible that Martinez was thinking the same. Especially considering we were creating chances

Got no defence for Osman coming on like.

Couple of gripes i have mate - aside from the substitutions etc which are frankly done to death already the past day on here, is WHY we have gotten to mid February and still have absolutely no one we can play up front either with or instead of Lukaku, all talk about the greatest squad since the 80's, but Christ the 80's squad had more than 1 striker, the guy currently looks at best 75% fit and is having to play through anyway because we have absolutely nothing as an option, bad management that in a big way

Also Baines has been sidelined and frankly it's baffling, he wasn't playing badly by any stretch - he's pretty fresh having missed a large part of the season already, and against a team like West Brom why go with Oviedo when anyone with eyes can see that it's going to eb a game the fullbacks are camped in their half, go with the player who is far better as an attacking threat

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We got Pulis'd

He set his yard dogs up well and we just couldn't find a way past, aided by some bad luck, the woodwork, some good goal keeping and some cracking defensive play.

Just one of those days.

Frustrating as......but it was a decent performance and the result doesn't reflect the game.

My only fume was Osman coming on, when it was was screaming for Mirallas.

 

[bluestevon]

Good post mate.

You know, I have been thinking about it as to why I am still in the "keep Roberto camp" and I have a confession to make.

I honestly believe that the only reason right now is that I am scared if we sack him tomorrow, Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barkley will leave too. Stones I think is gone in the Summer anyways.

I really have come to this conclusion and I hate to feel this way. Torn.

Constructive opinions please?

Alternative view mate

All 3 will see sticking with a manager who has this team under-performing as a lack of ambition at board level and will want to quit the club for a team which demands more from its manager.

All 3 will see the sacking of him and him being replaced by a manager - for example - with a better pedigree and track record at the top level as further signs the club is moving in the right direction.

Like with many things your fears are well founded but honestly it all depends on who we actually got in to replace him what happened with any of the squad.

 

[davids]

Funes Mori had an effort get blocked almost on the line. Don't really see that as our shortcoming. Would have liked to seen us move the ball quicker. Also would like to see James McCarthy be able to hit a clean strike under pressure. When he has time he is decent but whenever anyone closes he wets his pants and scuffs it.

Other than the late header by Barkley there wasn't a chance that "should" have been put away,everything else were half chances and you have to give credit to WBA for the way they managed the pressure we put on them.

 

[Tubey]

Yeah the subs were bad, but for me it wasn't just because of who came on - it was mostly because they were all like for like and resulted in no change in our shape or system whatsoever, at a time we should have been looking to break down a team by doing something a bit different.

He basically didn't manage for 95 minutes yesterday. We have a manager who doesn't/can't manage a game of football.

He needs sacking. For those saying Everton don't do sackings, I agree, but given we haven't sacked a manager in nearly 15 years I don't think getting rid of one dud at this stage is akin to suddenly being a managerial merry-go-round club.

We got it wrong with Martinez; let's fix the mistake.

 

[davids]

Alternative view mate

All 3 will see sticking with a manager who has this team under-performing as a lack of ambition at board level and will want to quit the club for a team which demands more from its manager.

All 3 will see the sacking of him and him being replaced by a manager - for example - with a better pedigree and track record at the top level as further signs the club is moving in the right direction.

Like with many things your fears are well founded but honestly it all depends on who we actually got in to replace him what happened with any of the squad.

If we don't win the cup and drastically improve out league position,that might be the only scenario that keeps our better players.

 

[bluestevon]

Yeah the subs were bad, but for me it wasn't just because of who came on - it was mostly because they were all like for like and resulted in no change in our shape or system whatsoever, at a time we should have been looking to break down a team by doing something a bit different.

He basically didn't manage for 95 minutes yesterday. We have a manager who doesn't/can't manage a game of football.

He needs sacking. For those saying Everton don't do sackings, I agree, but given we haven't sacked a manager in nearly 15 years I don't think getting rid of one dud at this stage is akin to suddenly being a managerial merry-go-round club.

We got it wrong with Martinez; let's fix the mistake.

Give it till the end of the season, we go out the cup and finish like we have been playing the past season then yeah need to replace him, AVB is available in the summer and he would IMO anyway do a lot better with this squad than Martinez has managed thus far

 

[dandydan]

Give it till the end of the season, we go out the cup and finish like we have been playing the past season then yeah need to replace him, AVB is available in the summer and he would IMO anyway do a lot better with this squad than Martinez has managed thus far

AVB has failed twice in this league already.

 

[kithnou]

Alternative view mate

All 3 will see sticking with a manager who has this team under-performing as a lack of ambition at board level and will want to quit the club for a team which demands more from its manager.

All 3 will see the sacking of him and him being replaced by a manager - for example - with a better pedigree and track record at the top level as further signs the club is moving in the right direction.

Like with many things your fears are well founded but honestly it all depends on who we actually got in to replace him what happened with any of the squad.

That makes perfect sense to me mate and has crossed my mind so many times. If they all stayed and we even brought back, God forbid, Moyes next season as an example, I wouldn't lose a moment's sleep over his sacking. Heck, I didn't want him in the first place.

But he has brought in top footballers we all love that appear to love him. And we don't know for sure how they will react.

Trust me, I'm not a conservative person at all in life and embrace change...normally as I get bored of people and things. But if we don't know for sure how our young guns respond to a sacking, is it not best we give him another year? Unless a billionaire takes over and brings in a Pep or Jose type?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Yeah the subs were bad, but for me it wasn't just because of who came on - it was mostly because they were all like for like and resulted in no change in our shape or system whatsoever, at a time we should have been looking to break down a team by doing something a bit different.

He basically didn't manage for 95 minutes yesterday. We have a manager who doesn't/can't manage a game of football.

He needs sacking. For those saying Everton don't do sackings, I agree, but given we haven't sacked a manager in nearly 15 years I don't think getting rid of one dud at this stage is akin to suddenly being a managerial merry-go-round club.

We got it wrong with Martinez; let's fix the mistake.

Nah.

He deserves to remain until May and then his performance should be assessed. A mid table finish and no pot, would be tough to accept given the quality of the squad.

However, there's a danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water, by canning Martinez

 

[Kev The Rat]

AVB has failed twice in this league already.

I wouldn't say he failed at Spurs - clearly we have tolerated far worse results under Martinez. Remember he had Bale sold from under him as well.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Good post mate.

You know, I have been thinking about it as to why I am still in the "keep Roberto camp" and I have a confession to make.

I honestly believe that the only reason right now is that I am scared if we sack him tomorrow, Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barkley will leave too. Stones I think is gone in the Summer anyways.

I really have come to this conclusion and I hate to feel this way. Torn.

Constructive opinions please?

I think it would depend on who we had lined up to replace him, because I certainly wouldn't get rid without one already lined up, but I harbour the same worries. I'm marginally on the in side too but he's one dropping of Joel away from turning that into a no.

I doubt Barkley will leave, but the other 3, unless we got another sweet talker or someone of reputation, would probably leave to be fair. Certainly Stones and Lukaku.

People about a hundred pay grades higher than me are better placed to look for possible replacements, but I certainly don't see the likes of Moyes or AVB being the answer. The likes of Sanchez-Flores who is doing well at Watford, he's a bit of a journeyman and I suspect a one season wonder in the prem like Laudrup.

I like Eddie Howe but he's inexperienced too and the players mentioned above aren't going to want to stay under him, nor will top players want to join him.

For me we've got to wait until the summer, hope the Americans complete their takeover, and aim very high indeed for a top manager.