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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I'm not being hypocritical at all. I dont want Howard in goal either - although I see Martinez's pov on it. That's not what the post was about though. It's about some (erroneous) belief that Martinez is taking up some completely crazy position and has uttered a sentence that is 'mad'. Neither are true. They're both valid. They're not ridiculous for the reasons already stated: Robles is not a no brainer #1, he's barely better than Howard...if he is better at all; and the comment about a player having more than just their own personal performance to offer a team is quite correct. It's what you look for in senior players isn't it - advice to other team mates?
Whether you prefer Robles as a #1 or whether you agree or not that TH is a lot of value to us in passing on his experience to team mates is another issue. The proposition that Martinez has put forward is not 'ridiculous'.
You are right there however you dress it up he has badly managed the goalkeeping situation.
Guest89
Player Valuation: £1m
I'm still favourably inclined toward Martinez, but not as much as I was and it's getting harder to defend him against friends who definitely aren't.
A loss tomorrow and the pressure really will start to be on and become more vocal on match days. But, I think our League Cup run is already going to be the making or breaking of him. A loss to Boro or then a loss to anyone but Man City in the semis and I think he loses the support of the likes of me too, and then the pressure really is on as only die hard loyalists will be supporting him. Conversely, win us our first trophy in 21 years and then he has a free pass (save an absolutely disastrous league finish) until next season and then maybe he changes the mentality back to one of a club that does truly compete for silverware (again) every season and we go through a period of regular European runs and Cups runs.
So for me, for now, someone who is naturally inclined to want to give a manager more time (I always think, shy of someone clearly out of their depth, e.g. a Steve Keane, a manager really does need 3 years minimum) there's still enough there I'm still behind him with hope (rather than expectation), but that's fading faster day by day.
A loss tomorrow and the pressure really will start to be on and become more vocal on match days. But, I think our League Cup run is already going to be the making or breaking of him. A loss to Boro or then a loss to anyone but Man City in the semis and I think he loses the support of the likes of me too, and then the pressure really is on as only die hard loyalists will be supporting him. Conversely, win us our first trophy in 21 years and then he has a free pass (save an absolutely disastrous league finish) until next season and then maybe he changes the mentality back to one of a club that does truly compete for silverware (again) every season and we go through a period of regular European runs and Cups runs.
So for me, for now, someone who is naturally inclined to want to give a manager more time (I always think, shy of someone clearly out of their depth, e.g. a Steve Keane, a manager really does need 3 years minimum) there's still enough there I'm still behind him with hope (rather than expectation), but that's fading faster day by day.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
All this talk of 'he's going to have to win this next game' and he'll have to do this and that in order to be safe...what planet is this taking place on?
Does it look even remotely likely that our manager is in trouble? He's practically fireproof. We've done well in the opening 10 tough as teak fixtures and the players have fought their way into the latter stages of a cup competition. Anything like a continuation of this and Martinez is in a very handy position. And whether you like it or not, short of an unlikely plunge into the depths of the lower half of the table, the board are not in any mood to be sacking managers and going through the process of hiring are they? I mean, who would do that next time around if BK is a non-runner, so to speak? It's fantasy Island stuff. It's not on the same page as reality as it stands.
Does it look even remotely likely that our manager is in trouble? He's practically fireproof. We've done well in the opening 10 tough as teak fixtures and the players have fought their way into the latter stages of a cup competition. Anything like a continuation of this and Martinez is in a very handy position. And whether you like it or not, short of an unlikely plunge into the depths of the lower half of the table, the board are not in any mood to be sacking managers and going through the process of hiring are they? I mean, who would do that next time around if BK is a non-runner, so to speak? It's fantasy Island stuff. It's not on the same page as reality as it stands.
sageyefc
Player Valuation: £90m
Only experience howard offers is that hes old, he doesnt organize his defence, doesnt communicate well, doesnt inspire one bit.
And tbh even as a pro bobby person i do think hes taking up a crazy position on this, the majority of the fan base want the GK sorted and bobby just giving us all a F U stance which is foolish
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
The fact of the matter regarding goalkeepers is you can't go chopping and changing every other game. You need as stable a back line as possible and rotating your goalkeeper is not the way you achieve that. Yes Howard has made some errors this season, but is Robles really that much better? Are we basing it on one decent performance in the League cup? Let's not forget the howler against Reading I think it was were he came for the ball and it seemed to pass straight through him into the near post.
I agree Howard needs replacing, but I don't think Robles is good enough for the number one spot.
I agree Howard needs replacing, but I don't think Robles is good enough for the number one spot.
I think sometimes mate its doing what is best for the team and individual.
Howard is turning into a laughing stock and his confidence is shot he needs taking out and building back up again.
Other teams will target his weakness and right now with our injuries we could do without that.
In reality we don't have a strong keeper and its bad management we are in this situation but after tuesday i think joel has to play tomoz
Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
Being relegated McCarthy and Kone would of left anyway
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
Fair point, but it's rare you see any manager drop their number 1 keeper. I'd imagine the keeper situation is high on the agenda for next summer.
I wouldn't be too sure of that, Titus.
This situation has been brewing for a year now and we all thought it would have been addressed in the summer gone.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we are still in the same position re goalkeepers this time next year
I hope it is dude
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
I wouldn't be too sure of that, Titus.
This situation has been brewing for a year now and we all thought it would have been addressed in the summer gone.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we are still in the same position re goalkeepers this time next year
I've said a few times before, we don't have the luxury of strengthening every week position whenever needs be. We have to rotate where we strengthen depending on players available and how much we have to spend. I'd imagine keeper is creeping up the pecking order.
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
Me too!
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
You know i think it's pretty sad that so called Everton "fans" have made their mind up on Martinez and won't budge despite any evidence contrary to that opinion.
He could get us relegated and they'd be too busy making up excuses as to why it's not his fault and he's just trying to have us playing in a manner appropriate for EFC whilst in the Championship.
Unbelivable Jeff.
He could get us relegated and they'd be too busy making up excuses as to why it's not his fault and he's just trying to have us playing in a manner appropriate for EFC whilst in the Championship.
Unbelivable Jeff.
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