Roberto Martinez discussion

[chicoazul]

It's just frustration.

I think many see a potentially very good Everton side held back but avoidable faults or silly decisions.

Not sure if it will be given a chance to "click" before our best players are pilfered, but we desperately need a decent keeper.

 

[Rupert's Tower]

I don't think he was at fault today, both of their goals were down to world class play/terrible goalkeeping. Sure, the manager can take blame for picking Howard but he's hardly going to drop him for one of the toughest aways of the season. He's picked 2 wingers for the first time in ages and for that he deserves credit, ultimately we've come away cursing our luck because even the most ardent RM haters can't deny we should've made it 2-2. Both Galloway and Rom should've scored and then Cech has saved superbly from Geri so that's 3 goals right there we score on another day. Now for these supposed easy run of games, does he continue with 2 wingers v Norwich and who replaces Barry? If Naisy is back in for the next one and Cleverley comes in on the wing they'll be rightly fumes

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

I'm going to give RM the rest of this season. His objective to win a trophy and make top 6 at the very least. The former is prioritized.

 

[bignev23]

What's the score with Mirallas, he has to be getting more game time for me.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

It's just frustration.

I think many see a potentially very good Everton side held back but avoidable faults or silly decisions.

Not sure if it will be given a chance to "click" before our best players are pilfered, but we desperately need a decent keeper.

That's the frustration Chico mate,we can see a really decent team in amongst the weekly mistakes/errors,it's not rocket science a few tweaks here and there and things could be going much better for us,but that is what Martinez is paid to do

 

[Elong]

I don't think Robles is the next De Gea but his one run in the team heralded many clean sheets and a big improvement, game by game, from him. People were furious when he was dropped for Howard and rightly so.

However this is why there are transfer windows. Our keeper is arguably our biggest weakness and had been for a while, so why didn't we sign anyone?



But who picks the flipping keeper??

For the record I blame Howard too. Of course I do. He's (on form) the worst keeper in the league and shows no sign of improving, or even being arsed. And Robles, for the record, was signed by Martinez himself. Why sign someone you don't trust to take over from a keeper in such dire form?

Maybe we did and nobody came? Same as the number 10. Sometimes you can't get what you want, I doubt we made inquiries to be fair, but there's a chance we did and nothing came of it. I reckon we should be spending 20mil on a world class keeper if we want Champions League footy, dead serious too, they're worth every penny, look at Cech today.

Reserve keepers are a strange bunch, making a career of getting splinters in their arses. I don't think anyone really trusts their reserve keeper in the entire league do they?

 

[daz4matty]

It's just frustration.

I think many see a potentially very good Everton side held back but avoidable faults or silly decisions.

Not sure if it will be given a chance to "click" before our best players are pilfered, but we desperately need a decent keeper.

We have some great players mate but we lack identity.
We looked so lost at times its scary and i don't think martinez knows how to get the best out of them.
We still play with 2 dm's and concede so many chances and our movement at times is non existant.
We started the season as the martinez of his 1st year and we are slowly morphing into last seasons disaster

 

[Kendall's Dream]

The tactics were dreadfull 1st half we never layed a glove on them till we scored.
We were lost and kept giving them the ball and as for you thinking nobody else had a bad game i give up

And when did I say nobody else had a bad game?

And for the tactics, there was nothing wrong with them. Who had the best chance before the goals came? Stones. Yeah Arsenal were the better team but they are top of the league and just beat Bayern Munich like.

 

[RFUS]

It's just frustration.

I think many see a potentially very good Everton side held back but avoidable faults or silly decisions.

Not sure if it will be given a chance to "click" before our best players are pilfered, but we desperately need a decent keeper.

One thing I remember about Martinez's first season is that you felt that he saw everything we did. He'd make the right subs and if a player wasn't playing well, they'd not play 38 games a season.

That's kind of faded a bit of late. Seeing him drop Naismith and make good subs today really helped bring that back, but it's all for nought if you stand by a keeper who can't even do the basics.

Maybe we did and nobody came? Same as the number 10. Sometimes you can't get what you want, I doubt we made inquiries to be fair, but there's a chance we did and nothing came of it. I reckon we should be spending 20mil on a world class keeper if we want Champions League footy, dead serious too, they're worth every penny, look at Cech today.

Reserve keepers are a strange bunch, making a career of getting splinters in their arses. I don't think anyone really trusts their reserve keeper in the entire league do they?

Good keepers don't cost the same as other positions, though. To get a player of Cech's calibre in any other position would cost much, much more than the £10.9m Arsenal paid.

And maybe it's just me but I didn't see Robles as the Cudicini type. He's not a veteran keeper there for emergencies, he's a young keeper there to improve his game. You can't do that if you don't play. Maybe Robles is utterly crap, I don't know, but I only judge keepers when they've had a few games on the spin and Robles has had that once, and he played well. I don't see him in training though, so maybe he is actually pants and Martinez just made a bad signing. It's all speculative!

What I do know is that something needs to change. Howard's one of the oldest keepers in the league and the only thing consistent about him is his ability to frustrate us. Hopefully Roberto can (belatedly) sort this out.

 

[Elong]

One thing I remember about Martinez's first season is that you felt that he saw everything we did. He'd make the right subs and if a player wasn't playing well, they'd not play 38 games a season.

That's kind of faded a bit of late. Seeing him drop Naismith and make good subs today really helped bring that back, but it's all for nought if you stand by a keeper who can't even do the basics.




Good keepers don't cost the same as other positions, though. To get a player of Cech's calibre in any other position would cost much, much more than the £10.9m Arsenal paid.

And maybe it's just me but I didn't see Robles as the Cudicini type. He's not a veteran keeper there for emergencies, he's a young keeper there to improve his game. You can't do that if you don't play. Maybe Robles is utterly crap, I don't know, but I only judge keepers when they've had a few games on the spin and Robles has had that once, and he played well. I don't see him in training though, so maybe he is actually pants and Martinez just made a bad signing. It's all speculative!

What I do know is that something needs to change. Howard's one of the oldest keepers in the league and the only thing consistent about him is his ability to frustrate us. Hopefully Roberto can (belatedly) sort this out.

That's what I'm going with, that Bobby seems him training and thinks he's worse than Howard. Now if we trust Martinez to know his players, that's bloody concerning for Robles future!

Again though, I'd spend as much on a new keeper as we did on Lukaku, they're both vital positions.

 

[RFUS]

That's what I'm going with, that Bobby seems him training and thinks he's worse than Howard. Now if we trust Martinez to know his players, that's bloody concerning for Robles future!

Again though, I'd spend as much on a new keeper as we did on Lukaku, they're both vital positions.

I doubt we have that dosh but at this point I'd sell my kidneys and give them to Everton if it meant buying someone who understood that his role in the team was to stop goals going in.

 

[chicoazul]

We have some great players mate but we lack identity.
We looked so lost at times its scary and i don't think martinez knows how to get the best out of them.
We still play with 2 dm's and concede so many chances and our movement at times is non existant.
We started the season as the martinez of his 1st year and we are slowly morphing into last seasons disaster

I thought he was right to set up the way he did and with those players today mate, why does it take us to go behind to start going though?

It's very slim margins at the top level and that should have been a draw today, instead we came away with nothing.

Still, there's space to grow with a young team I suppose.

 

[daz4matty]

And when did I say nobody else had a bad game?

And for the tactics, there was nothing wrong with them. Who had the best chance before the goals came? Stones. Yeah Arsenal were the better team but they are top of the league and just beat Bayern Munich like.

Read your last post back you said the whole team didn't have an off game.
There were no tactics 1st half we just gave them the ball.
There was no movement or creativity and we were lost.
Arsenal are a good team but we can't lose before a ball was kicked.

 

[daz4matty]

I thought he was right to set up the way he did and with those players today mate, why does it take us to go behind to start going though?

It's very slim margins at the top level and that should have been a draw today, instead we came away with nothing.

Still, there's space to grow with a young team I suppose.

We will have to agree to disagree my old friend.
One thing is for certain we have some cracking players but do we have the right manager to get the best out of them

 

[RFUS]

I thought he was right to set up the way he did and with those players today mate, why does it take us to go behind to start going though?

It's very slim margins at the top level and that should have been a draw today, instead we came away with nothing.

Still, there's space to grow with a young team I suppose.

I keep getting flashbacks to 2009. You can keep building a team but when you finally have all the pieces, you don't have long to make it count and you need the right person in charge.

We're waiting for everything to "click" as you're right, we have some incredibly good young players. But I'm not convinced Martinez is getting the best out of them. I hope he proves me wrong, but the faith and optimism of the first season is a distant memory, like Roberto's full head of hair.