Riots in Ukraine

[pornpimol2]

Here's an idea. How's about the U.S. stop meddling with other countries and let them choose there own governments then this try of thing would not happen.
Also see Venezuela.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Bunch of yahoos depose a democratically elected government with the connivance of the US and the EU.

They deserve everything Putin throws at them.

The west needs to bend the knee here. They're not dealing with some banana republic or tin pot desert autocratic state...the type they're used to bossing around. Russia are not to be messed with.

Do you realise that if that happens - Putin will think he can get away with anything and everything, and this will continue on and on?

I'd rather Russia is stopped early than continuing it's land-forage across Europa, slowly but surely.

 

[Mrk]

Here's an idea. How's about the U.S. stop meddling with other countries and let them choose there own governments then this try of thing would not happen.
Also see Venezuela.

What on earth...? You do know it's Russia, not the US 'meddling', don't you?

 

[daza_1973]

Slightly trivial and off topic, but I can see the way Russia are alienating themselves from the west is going to make for a interesting 2018 world cup.

Russia v Crimea final after all UEFA and most FIFA members boycott ???

 

[davek]

Do you realise that if that happens - Putin will think he can get away with anything and everything, and this will continue on and on?

I'd rather Russia is stopped early than continuing it's land-forage across Europa, slowly but surely.

This is Russia's doorstep with a region with majority ethnic Russian populations. This is as close to a superpower self defence as you can get. When JFK confronted the Soviets over Cuba was he "the Putin" of his day?

 

[Ashtonian]

There is a lot of similarities between Putin and Hitler. Both controlling who won't stop until the get what they want. And they're never happy with what they have, so that's why I can see this escalating as much as WW2 did

The difference with Germany is that they were strengthening themselves during the time. Make no mistake, if hitler had stepped down in 1938 he would have been labelled as one of the modern great leaders for how he accelerated Germany's growth.

He done that though on a war economy, building armies/tanks/planes/ships. It meant he had to use them. Marching into the Rhineland and Czechoslovakia and the like was fine but he needed a war. Thats why he went to poland and attacked them.

but up until Poland he was restoring Germany's pride and position which was something not to be sniffed at. Combined with the art and culture and bringing things in like the autobahn Germany became ahead of its time.

I truely believe his downfall was him becoming power mad. Attacking Russia was done out of nothing but his idealistic beliefs and if he hadn't done that then europe would have been in his control by 1945. I also believe that the terrible things he is responsible for (and rightly so) was not his doing. I believe it was a simple chain of command order to do the things that happened which was built on his beliefs, almost like a religion. By all means he is rightly held accountable for that happening and history will show him as the person he really was but by 1943 he had lost his mind and bunkered up in Berlin he lost the total control he once had.

 

[pornpimol2]

yes but the U.S. aswell as the E.U. where stirring up the rioters and the Russians are now fighting back showing there boarders will not be threaten
reply to Mrk

Also what DaveK just posted but better then I put it

 

[ijjysmith]

Chris I like you, but you write a lot mate.

Let's hope this is nothing like Hitler hey?!

 

[davek]

What on earth...? You do know it's Russia, not the US 'meddling', don't you?

Is that what the US Ambassador to Kiev doing a month or so back, going down to give her support to the dogs breakfast of extreme right wing and outright nazi groups in Independence square?

The west has brought this to a head.

 

[Mrk]

Is that what the US Ambassador to Kiev doing a month or so back, going down to give her support to the dogs breakfast of extreme right wing and outright nazi groups in Independence square?

The west has brought this to a head.

I've no doubt that the west is involved in one way or another, but compared to Russia, who are currently occupying a sovereign country, it's a drop in the ocean. There's meddling and then there's that.

And this isn't a right-wing uprising in Ukraine. If it was, Putin would probably find himself at home, seeing as he's obsessed with imposing right-wing social policies in Russia.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The Russians are trying to ensure peace & as it stands there's not been a shot fired, so the US should dismount it's high horse on this one, as it's got absolutely no reason to pipe up.

 

[LarryLimeStreet]

The difference with Germany is that they were strengthening themselves during the time. Make no mistake, if hitler had stepped down in 1938 he would have been labelled as one of the modern great leaders for how he accelerated Germany's growth.

He done that though on a war economy, building armies/tanks/planes/ships. It meant he had to use them. Marching into the Rhineland and Czechoslovakia and the like was fine but he needed a war. Thats why he went to poland and attacked them.

but up until Poland he was restoring Germany's pride and position which was something not to be sniffed at. Combined with the art and culture and bringing things in like the autobahn Germany became ahead of its time.

I truely believe his downfall was him becoming power mad. Attacking Russia was done out of nothing but his idealistic beliefs and if he hadn't done that then europe would have been in his control by 1945. I also believe that the terrible things he is responsible for (and rightly so) was not his doing. I believe it was a simple chain of command order to do the things that happened which was built on his beliefs, almost like a religion. By all means he is rightly held accountable for that happening and history will show him as the person he really was but by 1943 he had lost his mind and bunkered up in Berlin he lost the total control he once had.

Spot on, but I think Putins showed how power mad he is, already dictating to Belarus and Kazakhstan what he wants to happen in respects to the EEU 2015 proposals. Ukraine have decided to step back from what he wants to do and it's plastered all over the news what his answer to their 'betrayal'.

Putin has got his own plans and doesn't look like he seems phased about anything getting in his way. The interesting party in the whole issue is China, with reports suggesting that they are in support of Russia.

Whilst I agree with some on here that they will not want to upset America, they are still a communist country.

 

[peteblue]

Lads lads lads, can you now see how Putin is causing splits on GOT.......this is his real goal......never trust a red.....

 

[pbeyer]

Here's an idea. How's about the U.S. stop meddling with other countries and let them choose there own governments then this try of thing would not happen.
Also see Venezuela.

You also realize that Ukraine democratically voted in their president right? The one that the rest of the country forced out because they didnt want him......

Not entirely sure where the US has been meddling here..... Its Russia who's doing the meddling.

 

[LarryLimeStreet]

The Russians are trying to ensure peace & as it stands there's not been a shot fired, so the US should dismount it's high horse on this one, as it's got absolutely no reason to pipe up.

Really? They've stormed Ukraine because they have agreed to the EEU agreement that Putin is proposing?