Rewiring history..

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Personally think it a decision for each local community regarding statues in public parks and town courthouses.

Their tax dollars go to the maintenance and upkeep of them, including policing of protesters from both sides who come to demonstrate, and they are the ones who walk past them each day. If they want to move them to a museum where their proper context can be taught and understood (like the statues at Gettysburg) then that should be their choice.

But as several other posters have pointed out a lot of these statues are neither historical nor put up with a spirit of reconciliation. This is a 1998 statue of KKK founder Nathan Bedford Forrest.
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TBH I cannot think of a critique of Forrest or the KKK that is more damning than that statue is.
 
Personally think it a decision for each local community regarding statues in public parks and town courthouses.

Their tax dollars go to the maintenance and upkeep of them, including policing of protesters from both sides who come to demonstrate, and they are the ones who walk past them each day. If they want to move them to a museum where their proper context can be taught and understood (like the statues at Gettysburg) then that should be their choice.

But as several other posters have pointed out a lot of these statues are neither historical nor put up with a spirit of reconciliation. This is a 1998 statue of KKK founder Nathan Bedford Forrest.
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I think it appropriate that such a heinous character as this should be commemorated with a fairground ride....
 
By the way, since much of this discussion has veered toward questioning what the Civil War was about, there is a helpful recent article from James McPherson which summarizes the way in which thinking about this question has evolved. It is valuable reading, as background to the current statue debate.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2001/04/12/southern-comfort/

McPherson, like most historians, going back several decades, sees slavery as fundamental to the southern decision to go to war.

He cites the Confederate hierarchy, and rank and file, in its own words:

"At the war’s outset in 1861 Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, had justified secession as an act of self-defense against the incoming Lincoln administration, whose policy of excluding slavery from the territories would make “property in slaves so insecure as to be comparatively worthless,…thereby annihilating in effect property worth thousands of millions of dollars.”

The Confederate vice-president, Alexander H. Stephens, had said in a speech at Savannah on March 21, 1861, that slavery was “the immediate cause of the late rupture and the present revolution” of Southern independence. The United States, said Stephens, had been founded in 1776 on the false idea that all men are created equal. The Confederacy, by contrast: "is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based on this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

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"The states’-rights thesis has found its way into some odd corners of American culture. One of the questions in an exam administered to prospective citizens by the US Immigration and Naturalization service is: “The Civil War was fought over what important issue?” The right answer is either slavery or states’ rights. For Charles Dew growing up in the South of the 1940s and 1950s, there was no either/or. His ancestors on both sides fought for the Confederacy. His much-loved grandmother was a member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. In his dorm room at prep school in Virginia he proudly hung a Confederate flag. And he knew “that the South had seceded for one reason and one reason only: states’ rights…. Anyone who thought differently was either deranged or a Yankee.”

Later, however, as a distinguished historian of the antebellum South and the Confederacy, Dew was “stunned” to discover that protection of slavery from the perceived threat to its long-term survival posed by Lincoln’s election in 1860 was, in fact, the dominant theme in secessionist rhetoric. In Apostles of Disunion, which quotes and analyzes this rhetoric, Dew has produced an eye-opening study of the men appointed by seceding states as commissioners to visit other slave states—for example, Virginia and Kentucky—in order to persuade them also to leave the Union and join together to form the Confederacy. “I found this in many ways a difficult and painful book to write,” Dew acknowledges, but he nevertheless unflinchingly concludes that “to put it quite simply, slavery and race were absolutely critical elements in the coming of the war…. Defenders of the Lost Cause need only read the speeches and letters of the secession commissioners to learn what was really driving the Deep South to the brink of war in 1860–61.”

Those who do read the excerpts from speeches and letters quoted by Dew will find plenty of confirmation for this conclusion. “The conflict between slavery and non-slavery is a conflict for life and death,” a South Carolina commissioner told Virginians in February 1861. “The South cannot exist without African slavery.” The Mississippi convention’s “Declaration of Immediate Causes” of that state’s secession formed the basis for their commissioners’ message to other Southern states: “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery.” With Lincoln’s election, "there was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the union…. We must either submit to degradation and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede…."

Mississippi’s commissioner to Maryland insisted that “slavery was ordained by God and sanctioned by humanity.” If slave states remained in a Union ruled by Lincoln and his Republican cohorts, “the safety of the rights of the South will be entirely gone.

A Mississippi commissioner told Georgians that Republicans intended not only to abolish slavery but also to “substitute in its stead their new theory of the universal equality of the black and white races.” Unless white Southerners wanted “submission to negro equality…secession is inevitable.

Georgia’s commissioner to Virginia dutifully assured his listeners that if Southern states stayed in the Union, “we will have black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything.” An Alabamian born in Kentucky tried to persuade his native state to secede by portraying Lincoln’s election as “nothing less than an open declaration of war” by Yankee fanatics who intended to force the “sons and daughters” of the South to associate “with free negroes upon terms of political and social equality,” thus “consigning her [the South’s] citizens to assassinations and her wives and daughters to pollution and violation to gratify the lust of half-civilized Africans.

With Lincoln’s election, wrote Charles Francis Adams Jr., the son and grandson of the only truly “Northern” presidents the country had known, “the great revolution has actually taken place…. The country has once and for all thrown off the domination of the Slaveholders.”1 Precisely. Slaveholders came to the same conclusion. So did other Southern whites. “If you are tame enough to submit,” the Baptist clergyman James Furman told South Carolinians, “Abolition preachers will be at hand to consummate the marriage of your daughters to black husbands.

They did not submit; they seceded. As another South Carolinian explained, “We are contending for all that we hold dear—our Property—our Institutions—our Honor…. A stand must be made for African slavery or it is forever lost.”

In 1863 a cavalry lieutenant from Mississippi reaffirmed his belief that “this country without slave labor would be wholly worthless…. We can only live & exist by that species of labor: and hence I am willing to continue the fight to the last.”

The unrepentant Edward Pollard, wartime editor of the Richmond Examiner, wrote the first history of the Confederacy, with the appropriate title The Lost Cause. The war had ended slavery, Pollard acknowledged, but it “did not decide negro equality…. This new cause—or rather the true question of the war revived—is the supremacy of the white race.” In a speech to Confederate veterans in 1890, a former captain in the 7th Georgia Volunteer Infantry echoed Pollard: “We fought for the supremacy of the white race in America.”

Fantastic and fascinating last 2 posts. I want the counter argument to be as comprehensive as this purely for knowledge's sake. I admit this is an area of ignorance for me, thanks all for contributing.
 
Just seen this in the general section of one of the guitar forums I go on every day:

'Gone With the Wind' screenings pulled from Memphis theater for racially 'insensitive' content.

A historic Memphis, Tennessee, theater, which has shown "Gone With the Wind" screenings for 34 years, has decided to remove the classic film from its schedule due to its racially "insensitive" content.

The move comes after violence erupted at a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, earlier this month. The president of the Orpheum Theatre said the decision to remove the 1939 film was not directly related to the recent headlines.

"The Orpheum appreciates feedback on its programming from all members of the mid-south community," "As an organization whose stated mission is to 'entertain, educate and enlighten the communities it serves,' the Orpheum cannot show a film that is insensitive to a large segment of its local population."

His statement continued, "This is something that's been questioned every year, but the social media storm this year really brought it home.

Movie-goers took to the Orpheum's Facebook page to blast the theater's decision.

"This is the stupidest thing I have heard lately and believe me there have been some really stupid things done lately in the name of 'racism' - How ignorant are you people - Never will I go to this theater or any other one that promotes this BS,"
 
Personally think it a decision for each local community regarding statues in public parks and town courthouses.

Their tax dollars go to the maintenance and upkeep of them, including policing of protesters from both sides who come to demonstrate, and they are the ones who walk past them each day. If they want to move them to a museum where their proper context can be taught and understood (like the statues at Gettysburg) then that should be their choice.

But as several other posters have pointed out a lot of these statues are neither historical nor put up with a spirit of reconciliation. This is a 1998 statue of KKK founder Nathan Bedford Forrest.
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Dear god, that should be ripped down purely through any lack of artistic input.........
 
Just seen this in the general section of one of the guitar forums I go on every day:

'Gone With the Wind' screenings pulled from Memphis theater for racially 'insensitive' content.

A historic Memphis, Tennessee, theater, which has shown "Gone With the Wind" screenings for 34 years, has decided to remove the classic film from its schedule due to its racially "insensitive" content.

The move comes after violence erupted at a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, earlier this month. The president of the Orpheum Theatre said the decision to remove the 1939 film was not directly related to the recent headlines.

"The Orpheum appreciates feedback on its programming from all members of the mid-south community," "As an organization whose stated mission is to 'entertain, educate and enlighten the communities it serves,' the Orpheum cannot show a film that is insensitive to a large segment of its local population."

His statement continued, "This is something that's been questioned every year, but the social media storm this year really brought it home.

Movie-goers took to the Orpheum's Facebook page to blast the theater's decision.

"This is the stupidest thing I have heard lately and believe me there have been some really stupid things done lately in the name of 'racism' - How ignorant are you people - Never will I go to this theater or any other one that promotes this BS,"

I assume Al Jolson's Mammy has been well banned.......
 
Fantastic and fascinating last 2 posts. I want the counter argument to be as comprehensive as this purely for knowledge's sake. I admit this is an area of ignorance for me, thanks all for contributing.

George Washington owned slaves.......
 
History should never, ever be erased no matter how bad it is. We are supposed to learn from our mistakes and not run away from them. Nothing makes me more annoyed than this.

what history is erased by removing the statues from public places?

the statues themselves are an attempt to erase the horrific aspects of the past.
 
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