Remembering Moyes

[Steve Wigan]

Because for the past decade you have been banging on about how awful Moyes is/was- when you haven't been saying how great Bill/Kirkby are.

Obviously you perceived the football to be awful for the time Moyes was in charge (personally I saw very pragmatic football to start which evolved into excellent football in the last 18 months in charge) but I was pointing out that the game you remembered as a 4-0 defeat with awful football was perceived to be a good effort from a team ravished by injury by the media.

http://toffeeweb.com/season/06-07/reports/ManUtd(a).asp

Even Toffeeweb say it was a decent effort!

'Even Toffeeweb'.... Oh dear !

 

[Toffeelover]

He screwed up 2009.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Because for the past decade you have been banging on about how awful Moyes is/was- when you haven't been saying how great Bill/Kirkby are.

Obviously you perceived the football to be awful for the time Moyes was in charge (personally I saw very pragmatic football to start which evolved into excellent football in the last 18 months in charge) but I was pointing out that the game you remembered as a 4-0 defeat with awful football was perceived to be a good effort from a team ravished by injury by the media.

http://toffeeweb.com/season/06-07/reports/ManUtd(a).asp

Even Toffeeweb say it was a decent effort!

Because for the past decade you have been banging on about how awful Moyes is/was- when you haven't been saying how great Bill/Kirkby are.

Obviously you perceived the football to be awful for the time Moyes was in charge (personally I saw very pragmatic football to start which evolved into excellent football in the last 18 months in charge) but I was pointing out that the game you remembered as a 4-0 defeat with awful football was perceived to be a good effort from a team ravished by injury by the media.

http://toffeeweb.com/season/06-07/reports/ManUtd(a).asp

Even Toffeeweb say it was a decent effort!

Its a misconception that I've ever said 'how great' Bill is/was. Similarly I observed the Kirkby debate and never made a personal decision about it, yes or no. It is true that I stated when Moyes was appointed that I did not feel he had the tactical or man management ability to take us 'to the next level'...and I still think that my opinion in this respect was right. My opinion was formed after having spoken to Preston supporters, and actually having watched Preston a few times with friends. Admittedly that was not the Prem...and I didn't see anything in Moyes to show me that he would be a top Prem manager. To some extent, in a limited way, he exceeded my expectations, and to his credit he did last in the job...that may have been more down to the sentimentalist Bill Kenwright than Moyes ability.

 

[Timak]

Everton have been transformed more in the last 12 months than in the previous dozen years.

Really? Martinez has done really well however he took a team that had finished in the top 8 in every one of the last 6 years (and collected the third most points in the previous calendar year) and improved it further.
Moyes took over a team that had one top 10 finish in the decade before and had an awful squad and transformed it from top to bottom.

Everton was the best job he was ever going to have a chance of success at in football, and ultimately his success has to be described as limited. When people talk about 'rubbish finances' etc, they forget that the Everton team on the pitch was comparable in talent to most of the Premier League. Unfortunately the manager, a former average centre back, had a defensive mind set and could not change.

If you believe the Everton squad was comparable to the best in the league do you give no credit to the manager that purchased those players for hardly any money? We spent literally hundreds of millions of pounds less than other clubs yet won more points and more games. Does that win him no credit at all?

The main motivation of his management style was fear of losing, or even hope that a defeat was not a heavy one. He was found out at Old Trafford and there has hardly been a clamour for his services, just some interest from the continent, he was not even high in the betting for the Crystal Palace job. Football taxctics have moved on, and 'dour' has never been a buzz word.

Does any of this have anything to do with how good a manager he was for Everton? He took us from being rubbish to being good. I really don't understand your continuing vendetta.

 

[blue61]

If David Moyes was still our manager, would we have a forward line of Romelu Lukaku and Samuel Eto'o? I tend to think not.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

He needs to retrospectively be given last seasons manager of the year award for getting that garbage to 7th.

 

[Toffeelover]

He needs to retrospectively be given last seasons manager of the year award for getting that garbage to 7th.

The Mancs do not appreciate that massive achievement.

 

[toffee matt]

Van gaal is on a one man mission to restore moyes's credibility

 

[Walken]

See this type of critisism of Moyes is the thing that most confuses me.

Moyes peers voted him the best manager 3 times and the Carlo Ancelloti reckons Moyes was the best tactician in the Premier League.

He found a way of getting a team with rubbish finances in the top 7 pretty much every year.

You can only do this by winning football games, which surely means you have to get your tactics correct.

If he was so crap at the football management lark why was he so highly rated by Alex Ferguson and all his peers and why has nobody else been able to transform a club like he did Everton?

in the transfer market he was fantastic, his teams where fit, and he was clearly very hard working, but for 90 mins he was often below par for me. Too often he was the last to see things like richard wright being gash, stubbs being finished, lescott playing CH, Baines playing LB, Coleman playing RB, Arteta playing CM, Neville being finished, cahill being finished, saha being finished, barkley needing game time. I also know he didn't install confidence in the youth players and barely listened to the youth staff towards the end. Their tactical decisions that the commom fan could see and it took him far too long to see them. He was a good manager for everton, and will never get a team relegated, he's too good at building. But he also has glaring weaknesses

 

[sageyefc]

Can this thread not be locked already, moyes is a bell, hes the past now

 

[Joey66]

Where as BK got all this money from dam that RM! { joke}

Can this thread not be locked already, moyes is a bell, hes the past now

 

[ilikecheese]

Who was that lid he signed from the fifth tier of the American soccer pyramid? That one was so weird to me.

 

[bizzaro]

Who was that lid he signed from the fifth tier of the American soccer pyramid? That one was so weird to me.

Justin Bieber?

 

[McBain]

Who was that lid he signed from the fifth tier of the American soccer pyramid? That one was so weird to me.

Trindon Holliday?

 

[kithnou]

Who was that lid he signed from the fifth tier of the American soccer pyramid? That one was so weird to me.

Mia Hamm?