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Relegation 23/24 Thread

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davek said:
This.

6 clubs tried to take it up a bind alley and kill it but get no punishment. If we get the punishment they should have had it's a national disgrace.
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It'll finish it in the eyes of intelligent, rational people (a minority, perhaps, but a relatively well-heeled one). When the likes of Martin Samuel is stating the obvious, the die is cast. The Bundesliga suffers from a "competitiveness" question at the very top (it is massively competitive from positions 2 to 36 across both divisions, with great upward mobility). The Premier League, by contrast, suffers from a "fairness" question: the idea that it is a closed shop that houses only state-sponsored sportswashers, United, Liverpool, Arsenal, and oligarch-powered Chelsea (now in terminal decline). The closed shop gets that little bit more closed by destroying one of the most old-monied and storied traditional clubs in the game - especially one with a reputation for deep integration in its local, working-class community (the only glorious legacy of the late Bill Kenwright).

I don't see us having points deducted - not because we didn't engage in funny business, but because our funny business is very small beer indeed compared to what's been going on at currently more fashionable clubs.
 
We can't bear a points deduction unless it was 3 points perhaps and if they decided on a deduction, it wouldn't be a token gesture. It would be a minimum of 6 points. We can't shoulder that at all.

Nor do I want a suspended points deduction though I'd take that now. It would just keep the guilt trip vendetta against the club going though.

A fine and a January transfer ban are manageable.
 
Drico said:
It'll finish it in the eyes of intelligent, rational people (a minority, perhaps, but a relatively well-heeled one). When the likes of Martin Samuel is stating the obvious, the die is cast. The Bundesliga suffers from a "competitiveness" question at the very top (it is massively competitive from positions 2 to 36 across both divisions, with great upward mobility). The Premier League, by contrast, suffers from a "fairness" question: the idea that it is a closed shop that houses only state-sponsored sportswashers, United, Liverpool, Arsenal, and oligarch-powered Chelsea (now in terminal decline). The closed shop gets that little bit more closed by destroying one of the most old-monied and storied traditional clubs in the game - especially one with a reputation for deep integration in its local, working-class community (the only glorious legacy of the late Bill Kenwright).

I don't see us having points deducted - not because we didn't engage in funny business, but because our funny business is very small beer indeed compared to what's been going on at currently more fashionable clubs.
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Spot on.

To target Everton would be an outrage and a coward's way of dealing with interest from external authorities by scapegoating a great club.

Is the PLs wish to see our stadium languish in the lower leagues and off their list of spectacles they hawk about the world selling broadcasting rights for?
 
GoldenToffee said:
Thank God there are three absolutely poo teams in the division this season. 40 points will probably do including if we get a juicy deduction.
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That seed has been well and truly sown.
We will only get a punishment if and when we're found guilty of the charge.
We haven't got the outcome yet.
 

Drico said:
It'll finish it in the eyes of intelligent, rational people (a minority, perhaps, but a relatively well-heeled one). When the likes of Martin Samuel is stating the obvious, the die is cast. The Bundesliga suffers from a "competitiveness" question at the very top (it is massively competitive from positions 2 to 36 across both divisions, with great upward mobility). The Premier League, by contrast, suffers from a "fairness" question: the idea that it is a closed shop that houses only state-sponsored sportswashers, United, Liverpool, Arsenal, and oligarch-powered Chelsea (now in terminal decline). The closed shop gets that little bit more closed by destroying one of the most old-monied and storied traditional clubs in the game - especially one with a reputation for deep integration in its local, working-class community (the only glorious legacy of the late Bill Kenwright).

I don't see us having points deducted - not because we didn't engage in funny business, but because our funny business is very small beer indeed compared to what's been going on at currently more fashionable clubs.
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Nice sentiments.
Thing being that if we are not penalised given its recognised we have been seen to breach regulations then I can foresee trouble ahead for us and the PL from other clubs who will feel they have suffered as a consequence.
 

brieverton said:
We can't bear a points deduction unless it was 3 points perhaps and if they decided on a deduction, it wouldn't be a token gesture. It would be a minimum of 6 points. We can't shoulder that at all.

Nor do I want a suspended points deduction though I'd take that now. It would just keep the guilt trip vendetta against the club going though.

A fine and a January transfer ban are manageable.
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We are 5 points clear of the relegation zone already so the likelihood is we could withstand even 6 points deducted- we’d only need to be two points better than those three teams over 28 games when we’ve been 5 better after 10. The maths would still be in our favour.

12 points would be very very tough but that would be an unbelievably extreme punishment.
 
Tony’s Carp said:
We are 5 points clear of the relegation zone already so the likelihood is we could withstand even 6 points deducted- we’d only need to be two points better than those three teams over 28 games when we’ve been 5 better after 10. The maths would still be in our favour.

12 points would be very very tough but that would be an unbelievably extreme punishment.
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Was going to say the same. I think we could handle 6 points, looking at the table now. Wishful thinking maybe, but as long as those below us keep getting schooled, we should be ok.
 
Ring master said:
I did find that all his comments very strange, thought he was going on about we will relegated, then at the end said we wont get relegated but we will be in trouble, as teams know how we play etc. think we are ok this season
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Was such a dopey argument. Everyone knows how everyone plays. We could have sent Moyes a dossier of exactly our shape and gameplan and it would have made no difference. They offered nothing. Our players are FINALLY all playing at least decently (some very very well) all at the same time. And when a striker creates his own half chance and then takes it, you get points.

High possession % today for an away match whilst trying to keep it tight. Another decent sign. It’s not always pretty, but the current plan should avoid batterings, which is vital for our delicate confidence, and means we will be in lots more games for longer, for one player to pop up and do what Dom did today. If nothing else we should be turning some of the early season losses into grim draws, which is completely fine.

Slowly restoring some pride.
 

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