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Timbucktoo
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Ancelotti had a very big job on his hands when he arrived. We'd started slow, then hit form to finish the on the up, only for it to go completely pear shaped at the start of the second season, under both Koeman and Silva. Carlo came in after Silva and steadied the ship. Then he got off to a right belter of a start last season which saw us top the table, and people thought that finally we'd come good. From the new year on we just were in free fall and it showed that the job to get Everton competing at the top was much much bigger than he had thought. He wasn't interested in taking 2 or 3 years to get us back to being competitively in the league, and did a runner.
We're in such a state it'll take a number of seasons to get us competitive as far as league position is concerned, certainly longer than Ancelotti gave us.
Top managers don't hang around to rebuild teams and make a team competitive. They take up the jobs where clubs are already successful. I think a manager will have to be given 3 or 4 seasons to get us back to the top end of the league, some of those seasons may see us struggle in the League.
As far as sacking any manager finishing below 10th with this lot, it would mean we would be sacking a manager every summer,
Totally disagree, my benchmark would always be points because that’s a direct comparison about how you are performing against your competitors.
you take more points you’ve performed better. League position is determined on others
He just gave you the perfect example of a team achieving more points but having a worse season. The league is a competition. The aim is to be better than the other competitors and to do that you need to finish in a higher league position.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
I don't think its either to be honest.
We know when we have had a good season and when we have had a crap one.
Mate, every single managerial appoint would have 440 pages of blue arguing with blue.
So 58 points and qualifying for Europe in 7th would be a worse season?
I am sure you don’t believe that, I’m also sure you know that the levels of animosity would be nowhere near the level they are now. It would be disingenuous to suggest anything else.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £90m
But the only impact a manager can have is on his own team and the points and results his own team achieves.
He can only improve the results and points of his own team ergo he should be aiming to win more games and attain more points.
If Benitez achieves 60pts+ then hes improved on the 59pts Ancelotti achieved.
He cant affect the other clubs results or points.
That doesn’t show progress though; it shows that the league was in a poorer condition.
Points indicate a direct like for like comparison, you may not like but that’s just the reality
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I must remember this post when you're laughing at me using Roberto's 72 points as a benchmark.
I don’t laugh at that, it was a remarkable season and we played fantastic. What I laugh it is your obsession with his managed decline of that team over 3 seasons
It's not the reality. A poorer league condition, as was the case last year at the top and bottom, means you can't actually compare like for like. There are different teams in it for a start. As such you need to compare against your competitors IE league position
Would you rather finish 2nd with 88 points or 1st on 84?
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